Only way to Truth, and great conversation with Mellowmarsh

[cetus]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

I’ve never witnessed bad, threatening, or socially unacceptable behaviour from James here at this forum that could possibly warrant concern or moderation. The guy is naturally self moderating, takes a lot of self responsibility and maturity to control one’s emotions like that..

That was a general comment not directed at anyone personally.

[James123]

2 minutes ago, cetus said:

That was a general comment not directed at anyone personally.

You are already home Mr. Cetus. 

You can help more.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

My brother, body and mind is already perfect and doesn't need you.

İgnoring the body is bullshit. Yet it is out of control.

Try to control the mind or heart beat 😊 

Swami Rama, scientifically tested, stopped his heart!!

We can all do it if we do enough Sadhana, but You deny the Body that is entrenched with Atman or Absolute via Karmic substance, this in and of itself creates tons of Karma, that You have to deal with sooner or later..

 

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

When death comes, you will burn till not even ashes left.

Remember these words because you will need it, "When death comes, do not hold anything and surrender. Otherwise, you will meet with the hell".

What narcissism man, listen to me, you will burn, even your DNA will burns.

listen to me, surrender before too late my friend. 

What do you mean by “ You will meet with the hell “ unless you let go and surrender when death comes?

 

 

[cetus]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

You can help more.

Always at your service.

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Swami Rama, scientifically tested, stopped his heart!!

We can all do it if we do enough Sadhana, but You deny the Body that is entrenched with Atman or Absolute via Karmic substance, this in and of itself creates tons of Karma, that You have to deal with sooner or later..

 

For how long he stopped? Then heart win again, it beated 😊 I am breathing the air I don't even see isn't it a magic? Why are looking for something extraordinary (of course this is expectation therefore mind), and don't you see what the magic in front of you now? 

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What do you mean by “ You will meet with the hell “ unless you let go and surrender when death comes?

 

 

İf mind as me attached to body, death will kill it. And till surrendering the body and mind, you will burn.

5 minutes ago, cetus said:

Always at your service.

I need your help to help the others more.

You are a mod, aren't you 😊 people will listen you 😊 

[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, cetus said:

That was a general comment not directed at anyone personally.

Yes I know that, but I just needed to say that James is a clean fighter. You brought up the idea that lines could potentially be crossed prompting you to remind yourself that you are a moderator, nothing personal.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

For how long he stopped? Then heart win again, it beated 😊 I am breathing the air I don't even see isn't it a magic? Why are looking for something extraordinary (of course this is expectation therefore mind), and don't you see what the magic in front of you now? 

İf mind as me attached to body, death will kill it. And till surrendering the body and mind, you will burn.

I need your help to help the others more.

You are a mod, aren't you 😊 people will listen you 😊 

You said "Can You control Your Heart", I provided proof that it can be done, now Your changing the parameters to prove You point which is now mute, it can be done, we can control almost everything about our Body and Mind, its just a matter of knowing how to do it and putting in some work, like anything else, learning how to read and write, do a particular job or career or martial arts, its a skill...

Some don't need any work at it, maybe You are one of those, I do not know, but not everyone is like that, they may need Sadhana and such, which is why there are many ways up the mountain..  To say one just has to BE is not the way, it doesn't work like that, that is my main problem with what You say!

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

İf mind as me attached to body, death will kill it. And till surrendering the body and mind, you will burn.

I understand that, thanks for clarifying. 
 

I need to give everything I think I am back to God before I die, so that I die with love in my heart, not regret or hate??

[James123]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

You said "Can You control Your Heart", I provided proof that it can be done, now Your changing the parameters to prove You point which is now mute, it can be done, we can control almost everything about our Body and Mind, its just a matter of knowing how to do it and putting in some work, like anything else, learning how to read and write, do a particular job or career or martial arts, its a skill...

Some don't need any work at it, maybe You are one of those, I do not know, but not everyone is like that, they may need Sadhana and such, which is why there are many ways up the mountain..  To say one just has to BE is not the way, it doesn't work like that, that is my main problem with what You say!

All i am saying don't waste the life with trying to control, let go the control be free.

Body, nature will always win no matter how hard you try. 

Do you really know how to move your toes? Trying to find thoughts that connect with brain signals that connect with the mind, then that goes to nervous system, hits the foot, blood pumps, toes moves up and down. But where are you? 

Forget even controlling the body, you are not in a single part of the body.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

You said "Can You control Your Heart", I provided proof that it can be done, now Your changing the parameters to prove You point which is now mute, it can be done, we can control almost everything about our Body and Mind, its just a matter of knowing how to do it and putting in some work, like anything else, learning how to read and write, do a particular job or career or martial arts, its a skill...

Some don't need any work at it, maybe You are one of those, I do not know, but not everyone is like that, they may need Sadhana and such, which is why there are many ways up the mountain..  To say one just has to BE is not the way, it doesn't work like that, that is my main problem with what You say!

The heart stopping was an artificial event. Not natural. Nature doesn’t artificially stop or start the heart beating.

The heart will naturally stop beating only when the stopping is meant to happen, and not one second before.

And no human being has any control over that moment the heart stops beating that never restarts.

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I understand that, thanks for clarifying. 
 

I need to give everything I think I am back to God before I die, so that I die with love in my heart, not regret or hate??

İf there is a total love in the heart, that means is you are already dead.

İf you give everything, that mean is you are already dead. And there is no need go back to God, because it is already You.

[Ishanga]

Just now, James123 said:

All i am saying don't waste the life with trying to control, let go the control be free.

Body, nature will always win no matter how hard you try. 

Do you really know how to move your toes? Trying to find thoughts that connect with brain signals that connect with the mind, then that goes to nervous system, hits the foot, blood pumps, toes moves up and down. But where are you? 

Forget even controlling the body, you are not in a single part of the body.

I understand this, the Control part is Free Will, via Free Will You decided how to be, Naturally we are built to be Happy and Health, this is the basic stuff that has to be dealt with, if One is stressed out, sick and diseased, their mind is all over the place thinking thought patterns out of control, what You and I are saying, what this part of the forum is all about won't mean shit, they are not even surviving well, never mind this stuff we are talking about, so that has to be dealt with, after is dealt with, then things You are sharing become relevant and available to someone..

But to just say, Let go, Just Be, it doesn't mean anything unless the foundation is there, the willingness is there, the Free Will is there...

Body and Mind has to be dealt with plane and simple!

Try not eating for a week, no water either, come back and report what happened!

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The heart stopping was an artificial event. Not natural. Nature doesn’t artificially stop or start the heart beating.

The heart will naturally stop beating only when the stopping is meant to happen, and not one second before.

And no human being has any control over that moment the heart stops beating that never restarts.

Its not Artificial, its just we can control every aspect of our Body and Mind, if that is done, then Enlightenment and other Spiritual aspects come into play, but if we don't control it or are not even Aware of what is happening within the Body or Mind, Enlightenment is not even something available to Us, so first things first, deal with what You have and where You are, then go on from there! 

Also Humans can control when they die and how they die, Mahasamadhi is just that...

Edited 23 minutes ago by Ishanga

[cetus]

8 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

but I just needed to say that James is a clean fighter

You had me check for warnings. No signs of hitting below the belt. Just the expected body blows - fair play.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

Try not eating for a week, no water either, come back and report what happened!

This is exactly how you contradict yourself. 

You show a video that guy stopped his heart. And telling now try not to eat. This is controlling, showing up.

Let the heart beat, body eat, liver function, mind think in its amazing way. Do not try involve to the body and mind.

Just step back. 

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Ishanga said:

Its not Artificial, its just we can control every aspect of our Body and Mind, if that is done, then Enlightenment and other Spiritual aspects come into play, but if we don't control it or are not even Aware of what is happening within the Body or Mind, Enlightenment is not even something available to Us, so first things first, deal with what You have and where You are, then go on from there! 

It is artificial because what you are doing is referring to events that belong to the mind of knowledge within the dream of separation of I have control over. . That’s the artificial illusion. 

 

 

[Ishanga]

Just now, James123 said:

This is exactly how you contradict yourself. 

You show a video that guy stopped his heart. And telling now try not to eat. This is controlling, showing up.

Let the heart beat, body eat, liver function, mind think in its amazing way. Do not try involve to the body and mind.

Just step back. 

No contradiction, Swami Rama did intense Sadhana to have that ability, You probably have not, so try the experiment, stop eating and drinking, see what happens!

You won't do it because You know what will happen, which is Body will take over, make You eat and drink, and bring You back to reality!

[Ishanga]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

It is artificial because what you are doing is referring to events that belong to the mind of knowledge within the dream of separation of I have control over. . That’s the artificial illusion. 

 

 

 whatever bla bla bla, stay in the tribe then:)

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, cetus said:

You had me check for warnings. No signs of hitting below the belt. Just the expected body blows - fair play.

😎 He packs a mighty punch. He’s drunk on Love. I admire it. Forum is lucky to have him. ❤️