What if the one thing you actually want to do won’t pay the bills?

[Thought Art]

@Elliott I think that’s what I’m gonna do. I am gonna save money, invest in making this new album this year. I’m gonna book gigs, and move back to my home town which has a lot of open mic’s and I’m gonna take time between work contracts to play everything single night. I’ll actually find a music manager who can help me book and get gigs. I’ll actually take it seriously and focus on it.  I’m gonna record  my musical performances them and share them.  Each night im gonna try to sing the best fucking performance in the world in my niche…. I’m gonna put up posters all over the place even if they are just QR codes to my music. I’m gonna have to actually commit to it. 

I’ll take time tomorrow to look at my 4 year plan, make adjustment. I’ll consider my projected earnings, the price of the gear and courses and Fiverr, etc. I’ll make a strategic plan. I’ll list out the open mic nights, and I’ll have a training schedule during the day. 

Owen Cook is not teaching the material useful for my success. I think Leo is wrong. 
 

Brendon Burchard is. And I’m gonna buy all the best courses on singing, songwriting and music production And I’m actually gonna do the thing and make the best music in the world.

Edited 4 hours ago by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

You don’t make games. 

I worked on a game last year.

But do you see me hating my life?

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura No, you are clearly successful. 
 

You’re speaking to someone with like 0 success compared to you. You’ve even said in the past if you couldn’t live your purpose you’d feel down. 
 

I congratulate on what you have created and I am grateful. 
 

I apologize for my disrespectful tone today . I chose to lean into my anger and such….
 

Night guys. 

[Human Mint]

27 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Leo Gura I got derailed for a couple years from music. I regret that. I feel behind. 
 

I really hate reality. I hate my life, circumstances, and my past. It’s garbage. I see great artists and I feel so shitty about myself. 
 

I feel like I have all this potential inside me. I feel like it’s never gonna be realized because I’m already 30. 

I got a buddy who is over 30 and studying with me at the same school. He was behind so he's taking classes with me in parallel and he's making significant progress in just a couple of weeks, I am teaching him music harmony. And he studies a lot because he is actually understanding what I explain to him. I am not even thinking in teaching since I need to study and train too, but he asked. He has a successful online business selling clothes and that's how he pays his tuition

I am learning a lot too, month to month. What I can do today I couldn't a week ago. The amount of inspiration I had to take in order to get motivated was tons. I only listen to the best musicians, I have selected albums in the best quality and I sit and listen to an album from start to finish. I actually try to connect with the music, and you can only really do it with the best musicians, do not listen garbage if you want to be a musician. You pick everything, you're a sponge.

I am nowhere near where I want to be, but since I am making progress I feel chill af. I started studying in 2024, and in that year I learned as much as I did the previous 5 years before where I was really slacking off, or avoiding hardwork, or deluded, and it was not my main focus, yet I was constructing my vision. I was dreaming as much as possible.

That's what happens when you train like a mf. And it took me a lot of years to finally commit and I had to start from 0, which was not a problem for me because I valued every aspect of what I was taking in. You need to solve how not to be overwhelmed. I slack of a lot but everyday I am practicing.

Basically in life you're just facing your own limiting beliefs.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Elliott I think that’s what I’m gonna do. I am gonna save money, invest in making this new album this year. I’m gonna book gigs, and move back to my home town which has a lot of open mic’s and I’m gonna take time between work contracts to play everything single night. I’ll actually find a music manager who can help me book and get gigs. I’ll actually take it seriously and focus on it.  I’m gonna record  my musical performances them and share them.  Each night im gonna try to sing the best fucking performance in the world in my niche…. I’m gonna put up posters all over the place even if they are just QR codes to my music. I’m gonna have to actually commit to it. 
 

Owen Cook is not teaching the material useful for my success. I think Leo is wrong. 
 

Brendon Burchard is. And I’m gonna buy all the best courses on singing, songwriting and music production And I’m actually gonna do the thing and make the best music in the world.

Sounds like an AWESOME life whether you turn out to be the next Taylor Swift or not. 🤘

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott

[Thought Art]

@Elliott I’ll focus on being the first Me. 
 

I think the wage slavery thing is a mistake. It ruins my joy and it’s unrealistic for me. I gotta actually just do the thing. Just do the thing. Just do it. 
 

Actually do the fucking thing. Stop avoiding it. Perform everyday. 

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[VioleGrace]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Maybe become a real estate agent. It is easy work and the pay is good. Don't quit so easily.

 

But in a way i can relate to, 

Even a high paying job like real estate agent can be despicable for a lot of people if they don't like there job, 

Cause a lot of people including me can't work for just money for years, 

And especially some jobs require a lot of commitment in term of time and mastery do get high paying

That can be nearly unbearable for someone who dont really like his job

It quickly becoming a way to enter and get trapped in the wage slavery i guess

So for these people what is the right way to gain money to do what they love ? 

It seems to me that it is create a business, but you may as well create a business relate to your life purpose in that case 

Now that i thinking about that,

why don't you make a video on how to find a good business ideas or how to master money that can help people to take care of their basic material needs so they can naturally focus easily on their self actualization ? 

I guess you may have more insights on that part than average people

 

Edited 4 hours ago by VioleGrace

[Elliott]

35 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Elliott 
 

See, it’s not just the length of time you live but you have a biological clock. A 60 year old man just isn’t as good musically as a 25 year old. It’s just the way it is. 

What instrument do you play? I saw Santana(78 years old) this year, his wife is 65. She's insane on the drums, check her out. She's his drummer.

[Thought Art]

@VioleGrace I am gonna just commit to actually doing the thing. Like I was before. Because I played so much in the past I found myself on festival stages. But, then I had a major setback. 
 

I am better performer and writing now. I’m gonna do it. All this advice isn’t for me. I’m an artist not a sales person or a real estate agent or anything else. 

[Thought Art]

@Elliott I play guitar and I sing. I recorded this last year or so to break out of my blockage. It’s simple but good….

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=J5b0_8tdeHc&si=ra0bcseWrlqWzXRd
 

I will improve. I will write the best songs in the world. Not that happy with my vocals here.  Fuck the noise. I almost wonder if I would be better off without all the personal development stuff and spirituality. That was probably a mistake. Psychedelics were a mistake too. So many mistakes. 
 

All I needed was High Performance Habits by Brendon Burchard and then music practice, study and performance.  I overcomplicated my mind. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thought Art

[Human Mint]

8 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I think the wage slavery thing is a mistake. It ruins my joy and it’s unrealistic for me. I gotta actually just do the thing. Just do the thing. Just do it. 
 

I did it too, night shift, wrecked my health a bit but I was obsessed with the idea. Wage slavery is just an obsession. Educating yourself is almost free, could be free. 

[Thought Art]

@Human Mint I meant escaping it. 
 

I don’t think I’m as smart or emotionally programmed like other people. I’m kind of simple and stupid. I don’t know if I could do what Leo did. Obviously. So, I gotta do it my own way. 
 

The reality is though there is the world’s best music education online. It’s not free though. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

You’re speaking to someone with like 0 success compared to you.

But the point is you can build success.

Also it doesn't just have to be music.

There are many more possibilities in life than your mind is presently open to.

I had no success until I built it through lots of clever work.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Elliott I play guitar and I sing. I recorded this last year or so to break out of my blockage. It’s simple but good….

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=J5b0_8tdeHc&si=ra0bcseWrlqWzXRd
 

I really like it. You know, you could look for cool girls to collaborate with too....

Edited 4 hours ago by Elliott

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura I want to make music. If it’s not music I would rather die. Nothing else has the juice. 
 

What works for one, doesn’t work for me. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

Just now, Elliott said:

I really like it. You know, you could look for cool girls to collaborate with....

I think that’s a good idea. There are some on Fiverr I was looking at and I can find and reach out to anyone now around the world. 

[soos_mite_ah]

14 hours ago, Thought Art said:

What would you do if your heart mind and soul knew exactly what you wanted but you knew it would never pay the bills, and the odds of success were essentially 0. 

Would you even bother putting the effort in? Or just settle for making money and getting the basic human needs met?

I was going through something similar about a year ago or so where I felt like I was so sure that I wanted to go into something that utilized my international relations degree whether that be working in a NGO or something adjacent to foreign policy. Given what's going on in the U.S. right now, that's not the smartest move when it comes to paying the bills or have any kind of stability in your life. That was hard thing to come to terms with. Especially since I'm in a souless corporate job that felt like wage slavery. I'm fortunate enough to be in a decent work environment making good money in a low cost of living area. Existential dread aside, I have it good materially. But I can't say that the material security overrided feelings of *what the fuck am I doing with my life* or *I feel like I'm wasting my life spiritually withering away* etc. 

The way that I have learned to cope with this is to see my corporate job as a means to an end. Sure, I might have to be here longer than I want to, but this is going to help me set myself up for success later on. I'm saving my money. I'm getting work experience. I'm building my work ethic. I'm enhancing my skills in navigating my work life socially speaking. While I don't feel a sense of meaning in my job, I do find joy and fulfillment in some aspects of the work I'm doing and I try to focus on that. And I try to derive the sense of meaning else where such as friends, family, other hobbies, and of course as I continue learning about different social, political, and cultural topics. I don't see making money and getting basic human needs met as directly opposed to putting in effort towards fulfillment rather they often go hand in hand. 

There is also a high chance that I'm probably going to stay in a corporate role for the rest of my life. And yes, that was also hard to deal with, the possibility that my dreams will never be actualized. I then dissected what my dreams meant and how I can incorporate that to the constraints of my current life. Sure, I might not have a travelling job, but I do have a good amount of PTO I can use towards travel. Sure I might not be moved to work abroad due to the nature of my work but I can request a transfer from my current job. Those are just examples. 

14 hours ago, Thought Art said:

It makes no sense to me to make art for its own sake. I mean… it does, and it doesn’t. I know I need to master something to escape wage slavery. But, I don’t wanna do work that is just for money…. And putting all my time into my art is actually impossible because I’m a slave. 
 

I know it comes down to the style of your motivation… like what you want from it or whether it’s internal/ external etc. 

I also consider myself to be a relatively intrinsically motivated person which has it's pros and cons. The pros are that I'm good at pursuing fulfilling endeavors one way or another even if I'm not in the position to fully immerse myself in it. It allows me to maintain a sense of authenticity and I think that in turn helps me pursue goals in a more healthy and sustainable way. The cons is that external rewards don't keep me going to where my eyes glaze over when my boss talks about raises and promotions because honestly, given my financail position, an extra $10k isn't going to radically change my lifestyle or sense of fulfillment / happiness in my life. Which then puts in me in a weird place because so much of the world, especially corporate, is so externally focused and it all just feels really hollow to me because it simply doesn't resonate. Yes, like a lot of my coworkers, I don't get fulfillment from my job. But while they can be externally motivated and see how this job can help them idk get more orders from Amazon and have consummerism be a motivator to keep going to work, I'm here getting an existential crisis because my sense of motivation doesn't work that way. Insterad, I try to focus on the peace of mind my job brings so that I can focus on other areas of my life instead of being like *well, at least I can buy a Labubu without breaking the bank.*

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

I have a fire in my belly alright. But, it’s not for money alone. I wanna make music and be make the best music in the world and be commercially successful. I’m already 30. This might mean my life is over. I don’t know from the sounds of it there is little hope from you guys. I’ve played festivals, hundreds of open mic’s, written hundreds of songs, but not properly recorded them which I regret. I’ve recorded some and I do have a plan to release my next album this year. I have my gear list, and the songs are pretty well written I just gotta record them.  I want to make music. 

56 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I want success in music. Not to just make it after I become rich. But, I want to tour, play large crowds, and make the fucking best music and feelings in the WORLD. If I can’t do it I hope I die tomorrow. 

I guess I have a few questions that you do not have to answer rather I would encourage you to contemplate for youself. Do you actually love making music or do like the lifestyle and fantasy that comes with it? Why is that and where is that coming from? And is your why and where coming from a healthy or survival oriented place?

[Thought Art]

Arcadefire made music their job. I want to make music my job. 
 

 

They didn’t do something else so they could do something else.

”if you want something don’t ask for nothing. If you want nothing don’t ask for something!!!!”

 

”Ahhhhhhhhhh!”

Edited 4 hours ago by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

@Thought Art To create that kind of success in life you have to work harder than a rented mule.

Also, your mind is too closed.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura Too closed? 
 

I guess I’ll have to work that hard then. Because I want success in music. 
 

I have one fucking life guys. One. Am I gonna be in a death bed… just like…. Well, I guess I never made my dream come true. Well, what was this stupid fucking life for? Oh, I got to watch some other asshole make his dream come true. Oh no now I’m absolute infinity and I’m dead. Well, next shithole dream I guess. Why is God in the business of experiencing shithole dreams? Makes 0 sense. Your fucking GOD!! You should be awesome!!!!
 

why is my mind too closed?

Edited 3 hours ago by Thought Art