Does Observing want to be Observed?

[Mellowmarsh]

Or, does observing not want to be observed?

 

Does awakening happen only when observing observes itself? And would observing want this awakening, or would it try to avoid awakening from ever happening ? Would it prefer to remain forever veiled from itself in hiding?

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Or, does observing not want to be observed?

 

Does awakening happen only when observing observes itself? And would observing want this awakening, or would it try to avoid awakening from ever happening ? Would it prefer to remain forever veiled from itself in hiding?

Every Human Being wants to be More than What it is Right Now! That is fact, and that is the Desiring Process its built into Us, this is the natural arising of Spirituality within Us!  But we are Ego identified to such a high degree that it blinds us to this process..

Observation as a practice is basic stuff, it creates a space btwn You and Mind in a way, so that You can recognize that You are not the Mind or Body... After that sooner or later You have to increase Your Energy/Life Force within, that is really where it starts to happen!!

[Yimpa]

You are doing nothing.

God is doing You.

I’ve got nothing to hide by being 💯 real with you ^.^

Edited Saturday at 10:37 PM by Yimpa

[UnbornTao]

You might ask, for example, who is doing the observing or perceiving? The question isn't pointing to some imagined entity, but to you, the very one asking it. Keep digging until you have a breakthrough. You seem to be heading in the right direction. Just keep the subject of your contemplation in mind, and whenever you get distracted, return to your most real and inmediate sense of yourself.

Edited Saturday at 08:56 PM by UnbornTao

[CoolDreamThanks]

To awaken, you have to fall inlove with the observing self, instead of being inlove with the individual self. My teacher shared this today, thought it was beautiful and helpful.

[Mellowmarsh]

12 hours ago, Yimpa said:

You are doing nothing.

God is doing You.

I’ve got nothing to hide by being 💯 real with you ^.^

Yes, but being real with you must also include hiding from you, so that you may shine too. Otherwise, God would be confined to shadowland.

God hides so that you can appear  'This town ain't big enough for both of us'. 

[Mellowmarsh]

11 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

You might ask, for example, who is doing the observing or perceiving? The question isn't pointing to some imagined entity, but to you, the very one asking it. Keep digging until you have a breakthrough. You seem to be heading in the right direction. Just keep the subject of your contemplation in mind, and whenever you get distracted, return to your most real and inmediate sense of yourself.

Yes, this is being perceived/observed.

There can be a desire to want desire fulfilled, and there can be also a desire to return to not wanting anything. 

Dreamscape is alluring, the yank back is optional though, not a necessity. The observing could want it, but never actually need it,

[Mellowmarsh]

@CoolDreamThanks Nice!

[Mellowmarsh]

@Ishanga Nice!

[Breakingthewall]

On 15/11/2025 at 10:52 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

Or, does observing not want to be observed?

 

Does awakening happen only when observing observes itself? And would observing want this awakening, or would it try to avoid awakening from ever happening ? Would it prefer to remain forever veiled from itself in hiding?

It's much better that the veil falls. What reality is is neither an observer nor a doer; it is the absolute. You can call it void, openness, totality, limitlessness.

It is indefinable, formless, the source of all reality; everything emanates from it, everything is it, therefore, you are it. As a human, if you are not open to your essential nature, you are always in no man's land.

[UnbornTao]

18 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, this is being perceived/observed.

What is?

[Mellowmarsh]

Unborn Tao….The answer to the question “what is”?

 

Is.. the one asking the question is being perceived and observed. There’s something that is aware it is aware.

 

 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's much better that the veil falls. What reality is is neither an observer nor a doer; it is the absolute. You can call it void, openness, totality, limitlessness.

It is indefinable, formless, the source of all reality; everything emanates from it, everything is it, therefore, you are it. As a human, if you are not open to your essential nature, you are always in no man's land.

 Even no man’s land is it. It is and is It. It’s the question and answer both simultaneously.

 

No word can define IT, or, every word define IT… even not it ..is it.

[Mellowmarsh]

 

[Mellowmarsh]

Nothingness or emptiness exists as a placeholder for everything infinitely for eternity.

 

Emptiness is hidden within the fullness that’s already here within plain insight. 

[UnbornTao]

9 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Unborn Tao….The answer to the question “what is”?

 

Is.. the one asking the question is being perceived and observed. There’s something that is aware it is aware.

Then that isn't the entity doing the perceiving, right? (Since you say you are observing it.) Again, if it is being perceived, that is different from the you that is perceiving it. Consider that you are not perceived or found within that activity. The observer is not located in what's observed. 

Even though taking yourself for granted is common, find out what it is - if that's your goal. It helps to once again refocus on an immediate and experiential sense of yourself now, even if it's a vague or ill-defined sense.

Edited 3 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Mellowmarsh]

37 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Then that isn't the entity doing the perceiving, right? Since you say you are observing it. Again, if it is being perceived , it isn't the you perceiving. You aren't perceived or found within that activity. 

Even though taking yourself for granted is common, find out what it is - if that's your goal. 

To me, it doesn’t matter what it is. I don’t even need to find it as if it was separate from me. I’m it already.

 

That’s all there is to know for me. I know I am God, and that’s enough. I don’t need to explain what God is just that it is.

I’ve known I am God all my life.

[Mellowmarsh]

It’s me that plays hide and seek with myself. I know all is God, but I’m aware of separation too.

So it’s me that hides my knowledge from people who are not me, even though I secretly know others are me.

 

It’s not like I can tell my friends and family that I am God. They’d just laugh and say no you’re not.

That’s why I have to pretend I’m a human being just to fit in with the others who haven’t awakened yet to their sovereignty.

 

 

[kavaris]

The order by which youd speak of either: observing/observed is critical, or else theres gaps in walking up and down the ladder and thus making it clear what you are trying to say, like for instance... from our perspectives, now,  If all someone was talking about was "asking for the truth", therein would be no reason to keep refurbishing that sentiment, or untangling the same things over and over, for me, but perhaps others are committed to resolving it. BUT, if what your asking  is  to  understand what the observer is (or what the thing doing the observing is) then thats more distinct, as im not quite sure what "observer observing" is, or means. Like to me "observer observing" doesnt mean anything, which is what im tryina rephrase what you are saying by first peeling back a long strand of possible positions/perspectives you could be speaking from...

Singular -> God(s), a notion of (distinction between) -> the great expression -> things that we'd recognize as -> tryin' to find a, -> souls exp(thus far) and perhaps asking what the observer is, or what observing is...

Observer observing could also be yourself asking about yourself... Are you asking bout the single-most point that alludes everyone, like "that which cant be known"?

That is then why i say that these details come with clarification or background, as the order by which you are putting it forward would matter in this case, otherwise it could mean a couple athings

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

To me, it doesn’t matter what it is. I don’t even need to find it as if it was separate from me. I’m it already.

 

That’s all there is to know for me. I know I am God, and that’s enough. I don’t need to explain what God is just that it is.

I’ve known I am God all my life.

Perhaps. At the same time, wouldn't what you said above be an aspect of overlooking the very one that you are - or take yourself to be? Contrary to what we might think, asserting an opinion or believing in something doesn't really get the job done. If you want to get at the truth of what you are, then by definition it has to be the truth of that matter. Can you locate your "real-self"? What are you?

Anyway, I'd say hang in there. It sounds like you are looking into it. Remember to keep it experiential.