The Real Awakening Has Nothing to Do With Being ‘Spiritual’

[Thought Art]

8 hours ago, Malkom said:

The funniest thing here might be that, for example, you take 5-Meo DMT. And you'll have to let go of even "letting go." And you'll have to give up even all the comments, and what I write, and what others write, and what you write and make up for yourself.

Being itself is "Pure Desire" It's existence itself, its essence. It's not the absence of desires; the absence of desires is deadness. When Buddhists or anyone else says "let go of desires," they mean something a little different. But even this concept, it seems, is even somewhat successful.

It’s so intense. Like you think awakening and letting go is cool and noble until you get mindfucked so deep you wanna hold on to those fantasies.

Edited Saturday at 02:31 PM by Thought Art

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

No such thing as eternal satisfaction.

Truth is eternally whole and complete. This completness can be in a passive form of infinite potential. Or this completness can be in a active form of infinite actualization. 

Edited Saturday at 03:19 PM by Salvijus

[Hojo]

@Salvijus How can it be dual then? Like you were previously stating it was. You are saying its one now but before it was 2 things. A coin dosent have two sides. A coin is one thing. Saying a coin has 2 sides is a fantasy of someone outside the coin.

Edited Saturday at 03:28 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus How can it be dual then? Like you were previously stating it was. You are saying its one now but before it was 2 things. A coin dosent have two sides. A coin is one thing. Saying a coin has 2 sides is a fantasy of someone outside the coin.

Depends from the perspective from which you speak. From the absolute perspective there is only a single coin. From the relative perspective there are two sides to the coin. You should include the relative and the absolute to have a full picture of reality. 

[Hojo]

@SalvijusAbsolute means all. You are saying theres a truth and lie and we need to take the lie with the truth to have the full picture. Why?

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Salvijus How can it be dual then?

Oneness can manifest itself in infinite forms and still remain one thing. 

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@SalvijusAbsolute means all. You are saying theres a truth and lie and we need to take the lie with the truth to have the full picture. Why?

Relative perspective is not a lie. Relative truths are also truths. 

Edited Saturday at 03:40 PM by Salvijus

[Hojo]

@SalvijusThe why are you seperating them? You are gish galloping all over the place. You are saying absolute and relative are 1 but we should consider both. You are already considering both with the absolute perspective. Thats what absolute means all of them.

Edited Saturday at 03:42 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@SalvijusThe why are you seperating them? You are gish galloping all over the place. You are saying absolute and relative are 1 but we should consider both. You are already considering both with the absolute perspective. Thats what absolute means all of them.

Just understand this. It's true that from one perspective there is only a single coin. And it's also true that the coin has two sides. Both these truths are valid depending from which perspective you look at reality. 

[Hojo]

@SalvijusIts like saying my left hand dosent exist while im using my right hand. You can pretend its gone but the left hand will always come back. Left hand being your unsatisfacton with being alone. You can pretend the coin has 2 sides but only for so long.

Edited Saturday at 03:51 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@SalvijusIts like saying my left hand dosent exist while im using my right hand. You can pretend its gone but the left hand will always come back. Left hand being your unsatisfacton with being alone. You can pretend the coin has 2 sides but only for so long.

It's like saying there is one infinite energy, this energy is infinitely intelligent and always complete and it can shift from being passive to active and vice versa. 

[Hojo]

@SalvijusYou are trying very hard to deny yourself.

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@SalvijusYou are trying very hard to deny yourself.

By saying that you're everything? 

[Hojo]

@SalvijusNo you are trying very hard to put a positive spin on something thats not always positive. Thats a cope. I want people to get in touch with the negative because they are running from it. If you keep being positive when you are both negative and positive then you are fooling yourself.

Edited Saturday at 04:01 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@SalvijusNo you are trying very hard to put a positive spin on something thats not always positive. Thats a cope.

Well if you disagree that truth is always complete and whole, then it's more likely that there is a flaw in your thought system not mine. 

Edited Saturday at 04:04 PM by Salvijus

[Hojo]

@SalvijusYOU ARE DOING THAT. You are saying its absolute and relative and 1 at the same time its contradicting. It cant be absolute and relative at the same time. And now you are saying im doing it, when im not. Absolute eats relative instantly.

Its whole an complete but its also fractured and broken. Introducing the idea of whole automatically introduces the idea of fractured. You keep saying its 2 but also 1. In the absolute sense its not.

Edited Saturday at 04:09 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, Hojo said:

SalvijusYOU ARE DOING THAT. You are saying its absolute and relative and 1 at the same time its contradicting. It cant be absolute and relative at the same time.

There is no contradiction. Both absolute and relative perspectives exist. These perceptives compliment each other. 

Edited Saturday at 04:13 PM by Salvijus

[Hojo]

@SalvijusThey cant exist at the same time, absolute has to ignore that absolute exists in order to be relative. Introducing the idea of relative is denying the 1. The relative cannot survive if its absolute. This is what the story of Jesus is the relative became absolute 1 time and said never again. Its a story about how the absolute stayed absolute in the relative and even that didnt satisfy it eternally because we are still existing.

Edited Saturday at 04:15 PM by Hojo

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@SalvijusThey cant exist at the same time, absolute has to ignore that absolute exists in order to be relative. Introducing the idea of relative is denying the 1.

No, the relative perspective doesn't deny the 1. It just looks at the 1 from a different angle. 

[Hojo]

@SalvijusThats how it denies itself it cant look away from itself.