Is mathematics invented or discovered ?

[UnbornTao]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

@UnbornTao normally I would disagree and continue to make my point but I'm out of patience on this topic. I'm gonna call for truce for our both sake. Or at the very least for my own sake and sanity.

Tcare. 

Sure, that's okay.

But but but.... 

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

Sure, that's okay.

But but but.... 

But what 

[UnbornTao]

17 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

But what 

But what is actually true in the matter - despite agreeing, disagreeing, and all the rest? The fact that we agree or disagree is rather irrelevant to the topic.

Remember that we start with the presumption that we already know what it is.

Have we gained experiential insight into it yet? Or perhaps opened some doors? That to me is the goal here.

Edited Tuesday at 02:38 PM by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

Okay I'll do one more rebuttal. And then I'll go insane from this topic. 

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@Salvijus

A sound is merely a sound. Dig it. It is made, and heard. Raw perception itself is a meaningless phenomenon

How can a sound be meaningless if it has an impact? The impact IS the meaning. And the impact is indipendant of a personal interpretation of it. It's objective and universal. Since everything reverberates, everything has an impact. Or in other words, everything is encoded with information and transmission of information is the definition of communication and every communication is a form of language. Aahgagahahahahsysysysgagsg!!!!!!! 

JUST GET IT ALREADY! 

Edited Tuesday at 05:40 PM by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

18 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Okay I'll do one more rebuttal. And then I'll go insane from this topic. 

How can a sound be meaningless if it has an impact? The impact IS the meaning. And the impact is indipendant of a personal interpretation of it. It's objective and universal. Since everything reverberates, everything has an impact. Or in other words, everything is encoded with information and transmission of information is the definition of communication and every communication is a form of language. Aahgagahahahahsysysysgagsg!!!!!!! 

JUST GET IT ALREADY! 

What does the sound of rain falling mean? What meaning does a sound have by itself? A sound is a sound, and the influence it has on you is different from the raw perception of it. You're overlooking the act of perception, assuming that your experience reflects reality as it is. Hear any sound prior to interpreting it. You have to do this to recognize the point - thus overriding knee-jerk reactions and impulses. 

For a sound to have an impact on you, it has to be interpreted and related to you and your self-concerns. For example, people do not respond the same way to the same sound, which suggests the sound itself is different from how it is experienced by different people. A slap in the face is not a communication in itself, but it sure hurts.

Once again, you're speaking from within the world of language, taking it as an absolute, and failing to recognize it - or step out of it - even if only as an imaginative exercise. 

In other words, we could say that the sound does not give a crap about the impact it has on you. It just occurs as that. You, on the other hand, care. Can you begin to see the distinction here?

[UnbornTao]

Meaning? 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:11 PM by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

@UnbornTao 

Sorry bro, but you leave me no other choice. This is the only response I can give you now. 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:01 PM by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

I'm joking with the Pic of course. And of course I disagree with everything you've said (some parts were okay tho). But I'm tired of it. Let's just call it a truce. With you or without you I'm out of here. Please don't bait me back into it. Thank you. Tcare. 🙏

Edited yesterday at 01:13 PM by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

9 hours ago, Salvijus said:

@UnbornTao 

Sorry bro, but you leave me no other choice. This is the only response I can give you now. 

 

I see that what I said struck a nerve.

In a certain culture such a gesture might be interpreted as a sign of love. Within that culture, we would be exchanging loving gestures, and feeling good about it.

Thanks for playing.

Edited 23 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@UnbornTao 

@Salvijus

Oh! You two! At it all over this thread! 

I was going to contribute again but I do not want to poke the hornets nest....

[Xonas Pitfall]

You invented (created) it, so you can discover it. 

[UnbornTao]

@Natasha Tori Maru Go for it!