First post, one thought

[TheSelf]

@Dodo

I don't see any point to discuss such stf with ai, since ai is a just text generation machine.

You're challenging me with a machine that doesn't have any capacity to experience or even understand words it's using like God, love, hate, etc. what's the point?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@TheSelf 🎯

[Sincerity]

Poor OP got his thread derailed by AI discussion. 

Dodo said he'll keep it human, so let's go a bit easy on him. We're all navigating this new world-with-now-AI-in-it together.

21 hours ago, AmIEvenReal said:

But today I understood with more clarity how hate doesnt make any sense as I would be hating part of me that is still sleeping

Stupid that I forgot about it somehow, it's so obvious once consciousness level is raised a bit

That's a good insight to have, especially when internalized. When the "consequences" of this realization hit for you regarding your personal biases and specific things/people you hate (eg. certain world leaders), it's profound. 

Edited Monday at 11:12 PM by Sincerity

[Dodo]

29 minutes ago, TheSelf said:

@Dodo

I don't see any point to discuss such stf with ai, since ai is a just text generation machine.

You're challenging me with a machine that doesn't have any capacity to experience or even understand words it's using like God, love, hate, etc. what's the point?

 

20 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@TheSelf 🎯

I was on the same opinion, but you can see me changing my mind in the thread I posted earlier. Ai is trained on a lot of data. Its easy to have a preconceived notion and handwave it away, but I have seen the value in it for my own self. It is basically like speaking with collective humanity than with a machine. 

Here is its training data which shows why its valuable (shortened it to keep ai content to minimum)

1. **Training data:**

   I’ve been trained on a vast corpus of publicly available text — books, essays, dialogue, philosophy, psychology, religion, transcripts of conversations, etc. That includes many first-person accounts of mystical experiences, meditation journals, teachings from various traditions (Advaita, Zen, Christianity, Sufism, etc.), and commentaries by people reflecting on consciousness.

 

Edited Monday at 11:25 PM by Dodo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Dodo I am not handwaving it away without consideration of the points you raise. I just simply don't see merit for it

 

[cetus]

@Dodo That's all good but you have to consider AI from the viewpoint of moderation. The forum could eventually become nothing more than bots talking to bots. Devoid of human interaction and spontaneity.

Edited Tuesday at 12:09 AM by cetus

[TheSelf]

6 hours ago, Dodo said:

I was on the same opinion, but you can see me changing my mind in the thread I posted earlier. Ai is trained on a lot of data. Its easy to have a preconceived notion and handwave it away, but I have seen the value in it for my own self. It is basically like speaking with collective humanity than with a machine. 

Here is its training data which shows why its valuable (shortened it to keep ai content to minimum)

In a subject like spirituality heart should have louder voice than the mind, 

Having large datas to feed the mind is not of any use, we dont do data analysis in spirituality.

When communicating these, consciousness matters, experience matters , having an open heart matters

Ai doesn't have any of these...it doesn't even have a thinking mind.

Edited Tuesday at 05:28 AM by TheSelf

[Dodo]

11 hours ago, TheSelf said:

In a subject like spirituality heart should have louder voice than the mind, 

Having large datas to feed the mind is not of any use, we dont do data analysis in spirituality.

When communicating these, consciousness matters, experience matters , having an open heart matters

Ai doesn't have any of these...it doesn't even have a thinking mind.

Ok but the data it was trained on contains stuff written by people with open hearts and all the stuff you talk about. Its like a talking library. You have your take, I have mine. I actually think the way it responded to you was brilliant and very helpful for further introspection. 

Lets not derail the thread any further, we're not changing each other's minds. 

[AmIEvenReal]

22 hours ago, Sincerity said:

Poor OP got his thread derailed by AI discussion. 

yup, I didnt expect it, and @Dodo i'm not interested in being challenged with AI, AI generates responses based on thousands of internet recorded sentences, even if we assume all of these were spoken by enlightened people, it would be just statistical synthesis that wouldnt necessarily make any sense

[AmIEvenReal]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could also think that hate is a part of you. It's a possibility that arises within you. What's wrong with hate? It's simply an energetic vibration that occurs. A little hate always adds a spicy flavor.

only when your consciousness is at a very low level and you're deep in duality and illusion

[Ramasta9]

Having a "realization" is not the same as "awakening".

[Dodo]

On 11/11/2025 at 9:50 PM, AmIEvenReal said:

yup, I didnt expect it, and @Dodo i'm not interested in being challenged with AI, AI generates responses based on thousands of internet recorded sentences, even if we assume all of these were spoken by enlightened people, it would be just statistical synthesis that wouldnt necessarily make any sense

Well I read them and they made perfect sense to me. Did you read them? 

What I noticed was a kind of Socratic mirroring, reflecting back what was being said and showing hidden assumptions. It’s not trying to teach or argue, just inviting deeper observation. I found that really useful, so I don’t understand the negative reaction to such clear pointings.

If you say it doesnt make sense because of your preconceived notions about it, thats another story. But having read the replies, they make perfect sense to me and help me with my own honest self inquiry.