On episode of not knowing.

[Vilius]

So, I recently watched Leo's video about not knowing, and done the exercises in the video. I experienced the state of not-knowing very deeply to the point where I was looking at the tree and I could see my mind putting labels, giving explanations what that object is. But past all the labels and all the mind clutter, the tree appeared so mysterious sow weird, I would call it even alien, I couldn't grasp what the fuck is this thing. Actually it kind of scared me a bit because I felt that things getting bit unstable. I felt I Can go even deeper but sometimes I Think I might go crazy haha and I wasn't even using any psychedelic, completely sober. 

 

I'm not great at articulating exactly what I experienced but I guess that makes sense that explanation. I keen to explore deeper, but sometimes fear holds me back I don't understand where it comes from. 

Anyways, I've noticed that my mind jumped back into it's regular mode, but there's something different in my background of consciousness, like if I look at the object or something, or a thought, anything basically, I could look past my minds clutter into what actually is, it's there I don't engage in it necessarily if that makes sense.  

Of course I there's more to it I guess, but that's what I experienced and I wanted to share. a

[Ishanga]

47 minutes ago, Vilius said:

So, I recently watched Leo's video about not knowing, and done the exercises in the video. I experienced the state of not-knowing very deeply to the point where I was looking at the tree and I could see my mind putting labels, giving explanations what that object is. But past all the labels and all the mind clutter, the tree appeared so mysterious sow weird, I would call it even alien, I couldn't grasp what the fuck is this thing. Actually it kind of scared me a bit because I felt that things getting bit unstable. I felt I Can go even deeper but sometimes I Think I might go crazy haha and I wasn't even using any psychedelic, completely sober. 

 

I'm not great at articulating exactly what I experienced but I guess that makes sense that explanation. I keen to explore deeper, but sometimes fear holds me back I don't understand where it comes from. 

Anyways, I've noticed that my mind jumped back into it's regular mode, but there's something different in my background of consciousness, like if I look at the object or something, or a thought, anything basically, I could look past my minds clutter into what actually is, it's there I don't engage in it necessarily if that makes sense.  

Of course I there's more to it I guess, but that's what I experienced and I wanted to share. a

Yes very cool!

I remember Eckhart Tolle talking about this process in one of his books, how we instantly label things (this takes the life out of the thing we are labelling), and Sadhguru explores this "Not Knowing" as a great catalyst for Spiritual Growth..

If You truly Do Not Know, then Your natural Intelligence within will begin to Seek to Know, it will function at a more intense state and be on searching mode to Know all the time, this is good for Life to evolve and grow.. If You think/believe You Know already, then Your Intelligence is turned off, it goes to sleep as does Your Life process, it loses its vibrancy and intensity and become dull in the end, this is the state for too many of Us today unfortunately.

Because we are so Intellectually Identified, and with our tech today feeding us data/info 24/7 we think we know everything when in fact we know nothing, we don't know all there is too know about an Atom which is one of the smallest things in existence, but we know how to use it, but we don't know it completely, and its the same with everything around us, a Tree, Snowflake, another Human, and even ourselves, we don't know ourselves at all mostly, so living this way with so much unawareness leads to Suffering and really not living at all, sad to say!!

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Vilius said:

But past all the labels and all the mind clutter, the tree appeared so mysterious sow weird, I would call it even alien,

You could use just one label: it's an expression of the reality. You could use that label for everything. 

[Leo Gura]

Yes! Good!

You are catching a sense of the undefinability of Being.

You fear it because it leads to very radical states of consciousness which dematerialize reality.

Yes, eventually it leads to insanity and beyond.

[SimpleGuy]

A several years ago I did little thought experiments - if I repeated the word "apple" (in my native language) for like 30-50 and more times, the word and the object started to split up. And when I was saying "apple" for like 50-th time, I forgot what that word meant.

[TruthFreedom]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes! Good!

You are catching a sense of the undefinability of Being.

You fear it because it leads to very radical states of consciousness which dematerialize reality.

Yes, eventually it leads to insanity and beyond.

that's funny that you believe in such concepts as "sanity" and "insanity" 

[Someone here]

I think it's obvious that we know nothing from the absolute perspective because existence is prior to knowing .we exist first..then we start learning and conceptualising.  Some idiots though like Kant believe there is  a priori knowledge that we are born with and isn't derived from empirical knowledge like mathematical truths and the logical laws like law of identity..But of course Kant was totally drunk when he said that .