Enlightenment is much rarer than most expect

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Everything is the Eternal Tao including the attempts to use words to point or tell.

It's not somewhere else, it's everything.

That what nonduality is pointing out.

There isn't a "not that" to point at "what is that" ❤️ 

The separation is an illusion 🫶

 

21 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

 El autor del post no está iluminado ni siquiera sobre lo que es la iluminación, y no hay nada que hacer al respecto.

So what would you say that enlightenment is?

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Everything is the Eternal Tao including the attempts to use words to point or tell.

It's not somewhere else, it's everything.

That what nonduality is pointing out.

There isn't a "not that" to point at "what is that" ❤️ 

The separation is an illusion 🫶

 

Then you are the eternal tao. 

[Sandroew]

I can be somewhat autistic sometimes and so i once calculated that statistically speaking every big city should have one enlightened person living in it. I cant remember the exact math, but there wasnt too much thought behind it. Lol

 

If you say there is 1 enlightened person out of 5 million, that makes 68 enlightened people in the USA. And i would say 1 in 5 million is a very conservative number, but i wouldnt even say thats my opinion thats how very little idea i have about it.

And then out of 68 enlightened Americans there should be 4 or 5 present on this forum. Well actually even more if you think Leo’s teachings contribute to this number.

Edited Wednesday at 12:17 AM by Sandroew

[VeganAwake]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you are the eternal tao. 

It can be called anything.

There is a physical body over here and a physical body over there typing on this forum............ just like a deer in the woods or a dog and cat in the house............ but they are all equally empty.

Everything that appears is a part of Everything/Tao. Nothing is excluded.

But that which wants to be a self or god or consciousness or the eternal tao.........is the illusion.

Illusions of identity and they were never real from the start.

❤️ 

[VeganAwake]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

So what would you say that enlightenment is?

Clearly seeing that the me character attempting to become enlightened isn't real and never was!

❤️ 

[VeganAwake]

5 hours ago, Sandroew said:

I can be somewhat autistic sometimes and so i once calculated that statistically speaking every big city should have one enlightened person living in it. I cant remember the exact math, but there wasnt too much thought behind it. Lol

 

If you say there is 1 enlightened person out of 5 million, that makes 68 enlightened people in the USA. And i would say 1 in 5 million is a very conservative number, but i wouldnt even say thats my opinion thats how very little idea i have about it.

And then out of 68 enlightened Americans there should be 4 or 5 present on this forum. Well actually even more if you think Leo’s teachings contribute to this number.

I think it's very very slowly becoming more common.

🤷‍♂️

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Everything that appears is a part of Everything/Tao. Nothing is excluded

You could say that everything that appears is the tao, then enlightenment is the tao realizing itself. You could call it void or anything, but it is, then saying that enlightenment is realizing that the self is not real is not correct, you could say that realizing that the self is not real is the necessary step to the openess to the tao ( saying tao as a name for saying something)

[VeganAwake]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could say that everything that appears is the tao, then enlightenment is the tao realizing itself. You could call it void or anything, but it is, then saying that enlightenment is realizing that the self is not real is not correct, you could say that realizing that the self is not real is the necessary step to the openess to the tao ( saying tao as a name for saying something)

There isn't a "you" to be or to recognize the tao.

It's just tao lol

That which wants to be the tao is illusory.

❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

There isn't a "you" to be or to recognize the tao.

It's just tao lol

That which wants to be the tao is illusory.

❤️ 

If it's just just the tao, you are the tao. And there is a human self that recognizes itself as the tao because the human self is an energetic structure that happens in the reality as real as the body, that recognizes things. The only difference with the body is that you can touch the body but the self is made by neural pathways as real as a stone

Edited Wednesday at 05:33 AM by Breakingthewall

[Sandroew]

Like you guys also mentioned before, it depends on how you define enlightenment. I can think of 2 legit definitions.

1. People who experience day to day life without a sense of Self that everyone else has.
2. Ordinary people with deep comprehension of the nature of God, maybe including those with enlightenment experiences, but you could argue that this could be further divided into a third category for people like Martin Ball whos sense of Self comes and goes.

Some would argue that strictly speaking only the first category qualifies, but then i think it would be practical to have a name or something for the second category.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

19 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

So what would you say that enlightenment is?

The awareness that you're god, self generating reality.
 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

The awareness that you're god, self generating reality.
 

Then enlightenment is knowing something. I don't think so

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Sandroew said:

People who experience day to day life without a sense of Self that everyone else has.

5 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

 

The sense of self It's a relational structure created by millions of years of evolution that exists in humans. Not having a sense of self is unrelated to enlightenment; the self is not illusory, it's as real as the body. It's for example the energetic vibration we call "fear" that appears when you go down to take out the trash and find a hungry tiger

7 hours ago, Sandroew said:

Ordinary people with deep comprehension of the nature of God, maybe including those with enlightenment experiences, but you could argue that this could be further divided into a third category for people like Martin Ball whos sense of Self comes and goes.

More than comprehension, it's openess.

 The energetic structure of the self is closed by default, so that the individual and society can function. The forces that push you toward closure are irresistible.

Enlightenment is the opening of those energetic barriers that veil the true nature of what you are and everything is. The unlimited field of possibilities that flows in coherent, limitless relationships. The abyss that lives because nothing limits it. 

Understanding can happen, but who understand is the human structure, the self. Enlightenment is not understanding, is being without limits. 

Edited Wednesday at 03:31 PM by Breakingthewall

[AerisVahnEphelia]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then enlightenment is knowing something. I don't think so

it absolutely is

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

it absolutely is

Knowing is an energetic structure that's happening in this dimension of existence, the human structure, that creates a line between cause and effect, subject and object. Then the ego is created, knowing things. 

The ego's capacity for knowledge is limited, not infinite; it's linear, operating within a specific dimension, not infinite dimensions. Therefore, anything the ego knows is limited, not absolute.

So, is enlightenment limited knowledge, and therefore not entirely true?

[Ramasta9]

The most enlightened person continues to fight for the last say or comment  The mic has already been dropped.

Edited Friday at 04:21 AM by Ramasta9

[VeganAwake]

On 11/11/2025 at 11:33 PM, Breakingthewall said:

If it's just just the tao, you are the tao. And there is a human self that recognizes itself as the tao because the human self is an energetic structure that happens in the reality as real as the body, that recognizes things. The only difference with the body is that you can touch the body but the self is made by neural pathways as real as a stone

Im gonna slap the crap out yo neural pathway 🤣

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Im gonna slap the crap out yo neural pathway 🤣

what means that?