Ramana Maharshi solipsism vs Leo Gura solipsism

[theoneandnone]

I think this is a very interesting thing to discuss because I know Leo mentions him occasionally and seems to be inspired by ramana’s work. Let’s see how they differ in their solipsistic approach to reality. 
 

Ramana:

Eka Jīva Vāda literally means “only one individual soul (jīva) exists.”

This view proposes that:

There is only one experiencer — “you,” the sole conscious being.

The entire universe, including all other people, time, space, and events, appear only within your own consciousness.

Others are not separate conscious entities — they’re dream-figures in your consciousness, just like in a lucid dream.

Waking life is essentially a dream-like projection of the single consciousness (you).

So, it’s basically non-duality viewed through the solipsistic lens of the dreamer — everything happens in your own mind.

But hold on hold on Ramana didn’t stop there! 

From this ultimate perspective:

There is no jīva, not even one.

There is no world, no creation, no projection.

There is only pure, self-luminous awareness, changeless and eternal.

All distinctions between “creator,” “creation,” “individual,” and “liberation” are illusions appearing within ignorance.

 

Leo:

You are absolutely alone as God.

There is literally only your consciousness in all of existence. To him, this is not a metaphor or philosophy — it’s a literal, experiential fact he claims to have verified through deep mystical states (especially using 5-MeO-DMT and other psychedelics).

So, when he says “You are God,” he doesn’t mean that in the New Age “we are all connected” sense. He means:

Only you exist.

Everyone else — family, friends, me, even “Leo” himself — are imaginary constructs within your field of consciousness.

There is no “shared world,” no “other minds,” and no “objective reality.”

When you “wake up” fully, you realize you’ve always been alone, dreaming all this.

Leo calls this realization “The Lonely God realization.”

It’s where awakening stops being blissful unity and becomes an unbearable recognition of total aloneness — that you, the One Consciousness, invented everything out of infinite love and infinite loneliness.

 

[Ishanga]

Here's the Secret Sauce!
 

The essence of what we all are, all Life that is, is the same, call it the soul, atman, Life Force, Source Intelligence, God, Absolute, whatever, but the essence of what all life is is the same...

Our Bodies, Mind, Karmic makeups are different, via all this an individual Ego and/or Identity is formed.  This gives all life, especially Humans, that sense of Separateness..

Separateness is here for Us to play the game of Life, so Absolute/God/Source can know itself, it cannot know itself if it is complete and One, in a Oneness Experience per say even though it is not Experiencing or capable of it.. all its capable of is Potential and Possibility, so that is Us here, feeling Separate from everything else, even our true self, but knowing deep down that it exists, that we are one and the same, its just a matter of How to Experience this...

Don't deny the Body/Mind level of Awareness/Consciousness, it is very real, but we can Experience more than this, only Humans can experience what Absolute Is...If You deny this level of Experience, then Your falling into insanity, Your intellect/mind will try to figure it out, but it can't and that will take Your life away from You and then it starts over again once Your body dies, so don't deny it, just find out for Yourself what is what...

[Inliytened1]

27 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

I think this is a very interesting thing to discuss because I know Leo mentions him occasionally and seems to be inspired by ramana’s work. Let’s see how they differ in their solipsistic approach to reality. 
 

Ramana:

Eka Jīva Vāda literally means “only one individual soul (jīva) exists.”

This view proposes that:

There is only one experiencer — “you,” the sole conscious being.

The entire universe, including all other people, time, space, and events, appear only within your own consciousness.

Others are not separate conscious entities — they’re dream-figures in your consciousness, just like in a lucid dream.

Waking life is essentially a dream-like projection of the single consciousness (you).

So, it’s basically non-duality viewed through the solipsistic lens of the dreamer — everything happens in your own mind.

But hold on hold on Ramana didn’t stop there! 

From this ultimate perspective:

There is no jīva, not even one.

There is no world, no creation, no projection.

There is only pure, self-luminous awareness, changeless and eternal.

All distinctions between “creator,” “creation,” “individual,” and “liberation” are illusions appearing within ignorance.

 

Leo:

You are absolutely alone as God.

There is literally only your consciousness in all of existence. To him, this is not a metaphor or philosophy — it’s a literal, experiential fact he claims to have verified through deep mystical states (especially using 5-MeO-DMT and other psychedelics).

So, when he says “You are God,” he doesn’t mean that in the New Age “we are all connected” sense. He means:

Only you exist.

Everyone else — family, friends, me, even “Leo” himself — are imaginary constructs within your field of consciousness.

There is no “shared world,” no “other minds,” and no “objective reality.”

When you “wake up” fully, you realize you’ve always been alone, dreaming all this.

Leo calls this realization “The Lonely God realization.”

It’s where awakening stops being blissful unity and becomes an unbearable recognition of total aloneness — that you, the One Consciousness, invented everything out of infinite love and infinite loneliness.

 

So what's the difference then?

Please specify because I don't see it.  

By the way he doesn't say it's out of infinite Loneliness or that it is unbearable..that's silly. Stop spreading misinformation. 

Edited yesterday at 11:10 PM by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

Combining AI brainrot with non-duality arguments, that's too much for me. You'll find me outside meditating under a tree.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Combining AI brainrot with non-duality arguments, that's too much for me. You'll find me outside meditating under a tree.

Lol!

Classic.

Edited yesterday at 11:11 PM by Inliytened1

[Jowblob]

The #1 thing people forget is that even sleeping and going to bed as a human is a construct, when you fully wake up i think you will be fully on 24/7 sitting with yourself being aware of everything. And i also believe it is true what Leo has said, and in my experience the body adopts very fast to new levels of consciousness or ecstasy, so at the max level the ecstasy or pleasures mean nothing, you're all alone. So i guess then you invent a world or a story and then put your consciousness in it and act like you're a human or a beby until you forget.

I don't see any other way, or any other options... Perhaps someone can enlighten me to other options?

Edited yesterday at 11:16 PM by Jowblob

[Inliytened1]

@Carl-Richard more Solpsism clickbait and I bit....

[theoneandnone]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

So what's the difference then?

Please specify because I don't see it.  

By the way he doesn't say it's out of infinite Loneliness or that it is unbearable..that's silly. Stop spreading misinformation. 

I’m not spreading misinformation that’s what  internet inquiry brought up. And there is an obvious difference Ramana said that even you don’t exist! So there is no one to be alone. Leo says you DO exist as God so therefore you ARE alone. You clearly need to look into it more. 

Edited 23 hours ago by theoneandnone

[theoneandnone]

47 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Carl-Richard more Solpsism clickbait and I bit....

It’s not click bait just because you haven’t studied Ramana’s work doesn’t mean it’s so. 

[theoneandnone]

51 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

The #1 thing people forget is that even sleeping and going to bed as a human is a construct, when you fully wake up i think you will be fully on 24/7 sitting with yourself being aware of everything. And i also believe it is true what Leo has said, and in my experience the body adopts very fast to new levels of consciousness or ecstasy, so at the max level the ecstasy or pleasures mean nothing, you're all alone. So i guess then you invent a world or a story and then put your consciousness in it and act like you're a human or a beby until you forget.

I don't see any other way, or any other options... Perhaps someone can enlighten me to other options?

I mean there could be other options I mean there could be a bajillion. I’m sure this has been discussed a million times but i feel like the way we define being alone as God may not be the way it fully is. Hard to comprehend with the human ego / filter.

Edited 23 hours ago by theoneandnone

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

I’m not spreading misinformation that’s what  internet inquiry brought up. And there is an obvious difference Ramana said that even you don’t exist! So there is no one to be alone. Leo says you DO exist as God so therefore you ARE alone. You clearly need to look into it more. 

What he means by that is you as the ego doesn't exist.   Leo says the same.   Ramana calls it Consciousness and Leo calls it God but something exists.  But it's virtually the same.  Ramana doesn't talk about the realization of aloneness perhaps but it does exist whether Ramana mentioned it or not is irrelevant.  When you wake up to realizing it's all in your mind and self and other collapse there will be a drop or a sense of loss in realizing there never was other.  Just because Ramana doesn't address this doesn't make their views different. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Inliytened1

[theoneandnone]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Combining AI brainrot with non-duality arguments, that's too much for me. You'll find me outside meditating under a tree.

You’re just mad that Ramana did teach solipsism and not your washed done “we are all one” spirituality. I’m not trying to be too brash but I’ve seen you quote his work before on non duality and other conscious beings existing but that is not what Ramana taught. 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

It’s not click bait just because you haven’t studied Ramana’s work doesn’t mean it’s so. 

Good if you're serious than let's have a dialogue. 

[theoneandnone]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What he means by that is you as the ego doesn't exist.   Leo says the same.   Ramana calls it Consciousness and Leo calls it God but something exists.  But it's virtually the same.  Ramana doesn't talk about the realization of aloneness perhaps but it does exist whether Ramana mentioned it or not is irrelevant.  When you wake up to realizing it's all in your mind and self and other collapse there will be a drop or a sense of loss in realizing there never was other.  Just because Ramana doesn't address this doesn't make their views different. 

I mean I get what your a saying but like I said this sense of loneliness seems to be an ego thing or not? And it literally does not make sense why this experience exists anyways. And before you say “you are god lonely so you made this dream” there’s gotta be a better explanation for all of this. I think the whole lonely God thing is a cop out. Like me personally I’m pissed off im in this situation to begin with. 

Edited 23 hours ago by theoneandnone

[theoneandnone]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Good if you're serious than let's have a dialogue. 

Okay I’m willing to chat!

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

I mean I get what your a saying but like I said this sense of loneliness seems to be an ego thing or not? And it literally does not make sense what this experience exists anyways. And before you say “you are god lonely so you made this dream” there’s gotta be a better explanation for all of this. I think the whole lonely God thing is a cop out. 

Well then you misunderstood the teachings.  Alone doesn't mean loneliness.  Utter shock and terror to realize other was an illusion yes - but suffering thereafter no.   You integrate it.

It's not an egoic thing although it seems like that.  It's an awakening as God or Consciousness 

Also remember God and ego are also a duality.  There really isn't. difference between anything including that.

Edited 23 hours ago by Inliytened1

[theoneandnone]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well then you misunderstood the teachings.  Alone doesn't mean loneliness.

How does alone not mean alone and not mean loneliness? I guess it’s the same as one being one and not two?

 

My whole issue is this, Why does “my” mind create people in dreams and this supposed waking state. Like it’s a whole cluster fuck of confusion? I mean i guess it’s consciousness way of entertaining itself?

Edited 23 hours ago by theoneandnone

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

How does alone not mean alone and not mean loneliness? I guess it’s the same as one being one and not two?

 

My whole issue is this, Why does “my” mind create people in dreams and this supposed waking state. Like it’s a whole cluster fuck of confusion? I mean i guess it’s consciousness way of entertaining itself?

Think of it as it's not your mind it's Infinite Mind.  Infinite Mind has nothing else to do but dream stuff constantly. What else would it do.  So it creates elaborate dreams with infinite depth.  Alone means AL-One. ALONE.

Edited 22 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Yimpa]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

What else would it do. 

Increase its own consciousness and go beyond Infinite Mind into INFINITE GODS!

[theoneandnone]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well then you misunderstood the teachings.  Alone doesn't mean loneliness.  Utter shock and terror to realize other was an illusion yes - but suffering thereafter no.   You integrate it.

It's not an egoic thing although it seems like that.  It's an awakening as God or Consciousness 

Also remember God and ego are also a duality.  There really isn't. difference between anything including that.

I totally get that it’s not an ego thing it’s tapping into pure consciousness or god or whatever. But the thing I find so odd is why god imagines other people like what was the point why did god or “me” or whatever not just live in a place of just myself why make all these people up? Iv’e seen this debate here numerous times. I’ve even see you mention before that from your perspective you are dreaming everyone. But then from someone else perspective that are dreaming you and everyone.