No experience can touch Truth - Drop psychedelics and experience based realizations

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

No man, it is only a metaphor. 

The sense of individual self or ego is real within the dream of separation. The dream is all that can be known. 
 

Attempting to know the unknowable that is beyond the dream of separation is like trying to jump over your own shadow, your shadow is you. 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The sense of individual self or ego is real within the dream of separation. The dream is all that can be known. 
 

Attempting to know the unknowable that is beyond the dream of separation is like trying to jump over your own shadow, your shadow is you. 

Haha I wish I could of recruited you years ago to fight against these neo-advaitans.  But @James123 is a lot more.reformed nowadays you should have seen him a few years ago.

Edited 7 hours ago by Inliytened1

[James123]

@Mellowmarsh you can not believe what I said, if anyone tells you to believe me or tells you to something believe that's delusion.

What I am saying die for it.

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Mellowmarsh you can not believe what I said, if anyone tells you to believe me or tells you to something believe that's delusion.

What I am saying die for it.

But you are interacting with other members. So you might as well be interacting with empty thin air because in your own words, words hold no truth. 
 

So again, I invite you to tell yourself what WORD can describe the nameless IT ?

 

If there’s no word then stop using words. Show us how to stop using words to reach the unnameable?

 

Why do you keep descending from your unnameable position, it is too lonely at the top for you?

Edited 7 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Malkom]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

What I am saying die for it.

Cruel. But it sounds so cool. If such a thing exists, it's absolutely right to commit self-sacrifice. This is what love must be.

I had something similar in an out-of-body experience. I'm in the mountains, and some huge, bald, hyper-pumped men are leading me to my execution. While walking, I see the mountains and decide to look at the sky for a moment, and it's hard to describe. The visual itself. Waves appeared in the sky, like waves on the sea near the shore, the waves seemed to glow slightly. And the feeling of "seeing Paris and dying" is a metaphor; I seemed to understand its true meaning. The fear completely disappeared—it wasn't like I knew I was going to die, or like I didn't care, or like I realized I was eternal—it was something else entirely, very hard to describe. I've never experienced anything like this in reality; everything that exists in reality, like self-sacrifice, is actually stupid, fatally stupid.

Edited 7 hours ago by Malkom

[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, James123 said:

What I am saying die for it.

God realisation/ recognition is unborn , undying.

 

What death, when you already know it’s illusory?

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

God realisation/ recognition is unborn , undying.

 

What death, when you already know it’s illusory?

God realization is just an experience. Where was that god before physical birth? your God is based on experience therefore limited with body and mind.

If you already died, how can you know what is death? That's the question.

Answer is knowledge is the biggest illusion.

[Mellowmarsh]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Haha I wish I could have recruited you years ago to fight against those neo-advaitains.  But @James123 is a lot more.redormed nowadays you should have seen him a few years ago.

Haha, I’ll continue to show James how ridiculous it is to play the game of wack-a-mole.

The truth of infinite consciousness once recognised becomes a blasphemy when trying to explain it in a relative context.
...once awakening occurs which can be spontaneous in many people, either continue to live in the illusion, or remain forever silent. Can’t do both at the same time. This is a typical James error.

 

James like to continue playing the illusion and then gets all cocky and defensive when the other illusions join the game. 

[Malkom]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Haha, I’ll continue to show James how ridiculous it is to play the game of wack-a-mole.

The truth of infinite consciousness once recognised becomes a blasphemy when trying to explain it in a relative context.
...once awakening occurs which can be spontaneous in many people, either continue to live in the illusion, or remain forever silent. Can’t do both at the same time. This is a typical James error.

 

James like to continue playing the illusion and then gets all cocky and defensive when the other illusions join the game.

Don't give in to illusions  (the phrase echoes into infinity if you say it coolly instead of 1000 words hahaha)

I'm just kidding 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Answer is knowledge is the biggest illusion.

But the knowledge that is the biggest illusion is still a real illusion. That’s the whole point of the illusion, is to appear real.

 

Why go to the cinema to watch a movie already knowing the characters on the screen are not real?

Sorry James but you enjoy the movie you are in that’s why you continue to watch it, rather than try to escape it via suicide. 
 

Escaping the movie is also God escaping the movie. It’s all God. God already knows the movie isn’t real, that suicide isn’t real. 
 

 God already knows the movie because God created it. 
 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Think about it. When you take a psychedelic you just take it and it invokes a shift in consciousness.  Meditation is.no different.   The point with meditation is to not know. To surrender is to know.  So the ironic thing is the very thing he fights against is what can stop you.   I know what you.mean in a sense you are surrendering the ego but that is after the ego is gone you can't think that going in.  They are merely tools or a means to an end.  

 

Yep for sure we mean the same thing - just different nuances in terms are throwing me 

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

That’s the whole point of the illusion, is to appear real.

That's your belief. 

Truth is always is. Anything and everything appears and falls within. 

you are attached what appears and falls yet not aware the core. 

That's what enlightenment is.

Peace.

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Malkom said:

Don't give in to illusions  (the phrase echoes into infinity if you say it coolly instead of 1000 words hahaha)

I'm just kidding 

The 1000 words is just part of the illusion. The illusion is all that can be known, it’s all just part of the play, unavoidably.

 

🙂 

 

Someone starts the ball rolling, and rolling balls are bound to pick up dust. If James wants to be the opaque invisible then he shouldn’t roll the ball, that’s being the opposite of what he wants. 
 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

That's your belief. 

Truth is always is. Anything and everything appears and falls within. 

you are attached what appears and falls yet not aware the core. 

That's what enlightenment is.

Peace.

That’s still your belief that there’s a your belief..

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

That's your belief. 

Truth is always is. Anything and everything appears and falls within. 

you are attached what appears and falls yet not aware the core. 

That's what enlightenment is.

Peace.

What appears and disappears within truth is also truth, the contents of consciousness and consciousness are the same consciousness. I don’t think you have understood this simple knowing yet.

[Jodistrict]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Bless you.  Yes. The problem is neo-advaita became a religion. There was no metaphysical framework or spirituality.   It was a material universe with no self in an empty body.  All this no different than believing Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross.  But bless you for bringing some of it hack.

Exactly, It's like arguing with fundamentalist Christians.  They have a complete closed system with all the answers.  There's no inquiry or not knowing.  

[James123]

24 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Exactly, It's like arguing with fundamentalist Christians.  They have a complete closed system with all the answers.  There's no inquiry or not knowing.  

@Inliytened1 @Mellowmarsh neo Adviata, Muslim, Christian, buddist, hindus, Zens etc... different teachings but leading to only one Truth. 

Muslim and Christian = give everything back to God, including yourself, your family, your breath, your thinking etc... which is tawakkul in İslam, which leads empty mind.

Neo adviata is surrendering, which leads empty mind.

Zens, buddist etc... meditation, which leads empty mind. 

Body is love, universe is love yet there is no control whatsoever. (That's why Rumi turns, Osho dance, Jesus heals, Muhammad writes Quran. Yet, there is no separate Muhammad, Jesus, Rumi etc... in the body. The separation is already died and body is one with universe. Birds flies, cow gives milk, lion roar, liver flows, volcano erupts, sun turns. These are expression of Truth trough nature. 

For human body, every act, breathe, conversation represent the Truth. İt is perfectly balanced as the breathe or heart beats of body. When, ego dies, the body represent Love, love of Truth. Because, reflection of Truth is Love, yet Truth is not love.

And, Anything and everything arises and falls within Truth and everything is the part of Truth, yet Truth is non of it.

[Bogdan]

@James123 Leo has made all these distinctions clear so many times.

Maybe you'll get upset from me saying this, but to me it sounds like you are the one desperately clinging to this life, and projecting it somehow.

And when you talk about Truth and birth and whatever it just seems to me like you're imagining a bunch of stuff. Like you're not distinguishing between your human thoughts and reality.

If I'm right, all that is to avoid God realization.

Cause if you actually would merge with God fully in the way the term means it, you would not call it an experience.

Nor would you deny God.

Perhaps after hitting you with that harsh way of speaking you won't wanna answer, but I'm really curious - how does your day to day life look like, especially in the aspect of - How addicted are you to substances or unhealthy habits?

Perhaps it's not the case, and the language difference might have something with it, but your way of talking kinda reminds me of when I was severely addicted to weed and cigarettes and stuff like that.

Edited 37 minutes ago by Bogdan

[James123]

11 minutes ago, Bogdan said:

@James123 Leo has made all these distinctions clear so many times.

Maybe you'll get upset from me saying this, but to me it sounds like you are the one desperately clinging to this life, and projecting it somehow.

And when you talk about Truth and birth and whatever it just seems to me like you're imagining a bunch of stuff. Like you're not distinguishing between your human thoughts and reality.

If I'm right, all that is to avoid God realization.

Cause if you actually would merge with God fully in the way the term means it, you would not call it an experience.

Nor would you deny God.

Perhaps after hitting you with that harsh way of speaking you won't wanna answer, but I'm really curious - how does your day to day life look like, especially in the aspect of - How addicted are you to substances or unhealthy habits?

Perhaps it's not the case, and the language difference might have something with it, but your way of talking kinda reminds me of when I was severely addicted to weed and cigarettes and stuff like that.

I do what most men's do, but body is it's own. Thoughts arises and pass, body and mind perfectly works with each other, yet no one is behind. Like a movie, actually not even.  

There is no such thing as God realization. Any realization or experience belongs the separation.

God only Be.

Moreover, I am not addicted to anything. Just eat food, drink water and sleep. What body needs, that's all.

Edited 27 minutes ago by James123