No experience can touch Truth - Drop psychedelics and experience based realizations

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

True on all counts brother. Suffering is indeed the best teacher.  Words of wisdom.   Rather than criticizing whether psychedelics work spend more time speaking about what you have said here to me they are wise words . Much love to you brother. 

Much love to you too my brother.

[Jodistrict]

I am starting to find non duality dogma to be mind-numbing and empty (no pun intended). Imagine being a child of a non-dualist.  No you can’t have that cookie because you were never born.    The thing I like about Ramana Maharshi is that he was a bakti yogi.  Connecting with the heart is important.  In the path of tantra, the body is real, not imaginary, and the path to liberation is through the body.  If psychedelics are useful I think it has something to do with getting us out of the mind and truly connecting with the body.        

[James123]

1 minute ago, Jodistrict said:

I am starting to find non duality dogma to be mind-numbing and empty (no pun intended). Imagine being a child of a non-dualist.  No you can’t have that cookie because you were never born.    The thing I like about Ramana Maharshi is that he was a bakti yogi.  Connecting with the heart is important.  In the path of tantra, the body is real, not imaginary, and the path to liberation is through the body.  If psychedelics are useful I think it has something to do with getting us out of the mind and truly connecting with the body.        

The body is already love, as long as you not involve.

If you do, that cause separation.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

I am starting to find non duality dogma to be mind-numbing and empty (no pun intended). Imagine being a child of a non-dualist.  No you can’t have that cookie because you were never born.    The thing I like about Ramana Maharshi is that he was a bakti yogi.  Connecting with the heart is important.  In the path of tantra, the body is real, not imaginary, and the path to liberation is through the body.  If psychedelics are useful I think it has something to do with getting us out of the mind and truly connecting with the body.        

Bless you.  Yes. The problem is neo-advaita became a religion. There was no metaphysical framework or spirituality.   It was a material universe with no self in an empty body.  All this no different than believing Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross.  But bless you for bringing some of it hack.

[Mellowmarsh]

9 hours ago, James123 said:

Experience belongs to body. (That's the reason why there wasn't any experience before physical birth.)

Does the body know the above truth claim?

 

Or does Consciousness know the above truth claim?

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

The body is already love, as long as you not involve.

If you do, that cause separation.

I see you haven’t followed your own advice yet. You’re still causing separation with these words. 
 

How do you plan to let go of words and surrender to the unnameable? Do you even have a plan? 

[Mellowmarsh]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

Much love to you too my brother.

Why do you keep returning to the separation that you are so desperately trying to avoid ?

 

The wise stay silent. The fools keep barking.

[Malkom]

23 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

I am starting to find non duality dogma to be mind-numbing and empty (no pun intended). Imagine being a child of a non-dualist. No you can’t have that cookie because you were never born. The thing I like about Ramana Maharshi is that he was a bakti yogi. Connecting with the heart is important. In the path of tantra, the body is real, not imaginary, and the path to liberation is through the body. If psychedelics are useful I think it has something to do with getting us out of the mind and truly connecting with the body.

In some sense, connection with the heart is non-duality, which is already close enough. Even unconditional love itself is nondualistic, yet again, being unconditionally loving means that there’s a condition attached - Be unconditional . Just feel with your own heart, your inner core, your Self.f.

Edited 9 hours ago by Malkom

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

There is no purpose. 

Caring life belongs to ego.

These or nahms or other forums are just sentences no more than that.

Death of the ego is best service for humanity.

Don't you see that you think you care about life and help others, yet still judging?

That's a fake service. Expectations.

Exactly my point, dead-statements, no substance, empty, void, lifeless. What I share is (the middle way). A little further down the road...

That life ought to be "lived" cause that's what being "alive" is all about, not merely conceptualized and observed.

You can remain as the "observer" and point out truths all you want, if you don't live, you remain a ghost in a shell.

 

 

[VeganAwake]

56 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

i had to jump in and comment here - i hope you're joking friend

or you just dont know the definition of a concept

or what consciousness is

please retreat this comment, its extremely extremely bad 

i grade it an F-

Oh come on........it's accidentally a C+ at least 🫣

 

[Mellowmarsh]

@James123 If you’re going to keep barking here, then you’re intentionally setting yourself up to be heard causing the duality you deny. It’s actually quite pathetic.

If you cannot answer the hard questions then why are you continuously posting your own answers? You’re nothing more than a confirmation bias junkie. You should be embarrassed only hearing what you personally want to hear.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Exactly my point, dead-statements, no substance, empty, void, lifeless. What I share is (the middle way). A little further down the road...

That life ought to be "lived" cause that's what being "alive" is all about, not merely conceptualized and observed.

You can remain as the "observer" and point out truths all you want, if you don't live, you remain a ghost in a shell.

 

 

Thank you @Ramasta9 this is excellent work.  He needs to be reminded to come full circle.  He has not done that yet.  Bless his enlightened heart.. I can feel that now. But yet rather than diving into life and coming full circle to enjoy life to the fullest it almost seems like he just wants to paint that as the "dark side" and honestly i don't carry the paint for that.  Let's get him moving in the right direction - thanks for that. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I am starting to sense there is a common theme regarding awakening and enlightenment.

That nothing guarantees it - but surrender is an ingredient.

Perhaps this is the mechanism behind psychedelic use - that it forces the fight and surrender internally.

Surrendering during meditation being the ingredient there.

Extreme suffering prompting giving up - surrendering.

Surrendering concepts. Surrendering the mind. Surrendering knowing.

Maybe we surrender to suffering the cooked spaghetti splattering the wall as well - or stubbing a toe 

Edited 9 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Mellowmarsh]

Experience belongs to this….piece of meat. That’s what James wants you to believe.

 

 

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Good advice IMO.

A lot of the users there (and hardcore nondualists) get so hung up on the words 'I' and 'you' they miss the point attempting to be conveyed. Thus it turns into a stupid shitfight. 

It just so happens it is bloody hard to express oneself properly while avoiding those terms.

This video sums it up pretty well. They are stuck in one side of the coin, neutral, suspended animation, no life or aura to them, empty, yet refused to be filled again, because they are convinced "this is it" when it reality, its only part-of it, there's more, that's Buddha's middle way. 

Realize you are God, but don't get stuck up there, cause you are Human too.

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I am starting to sense there is a common theme regarding awakening and enlightenment.

That nothing guarantees it - but surrender is an ingredient.

Perhaps this is the mechanism behind psychedelic use - that it forces the fight and surrender internally.

Surrendering during meditation being the ingredient there.

Extreme suffering prompting giving up - surrendering.

Maybe we surrender to suffering the cooked spaghetti splattering the wall as well - or stubbing a toe 

No meditation is really about just being there. Being present.  It's not about surrendering.   It's just staring at your hand. Or doing concentration meditation. Or self inquiry.  Thats what the nature of meditation is.  Nothing guarantees awakening but I can tell you that suffering plays a large role.  Such that Jesus suffered on the cross.  But that happens when life happens it is completely distinct from meditation practices .

Edited 8 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Ramasta9 said:

This video sums it up pretty well. They are stuck in one side of the coin, neutral, suspended animation, no life or aura to them, empty, yet refused to be filled again, because they are convinced "this is it" when it reality, its only part-of it, there's more, that's Buddha's middle way. 

Realize you are God, but don't get stuck up there, cause you are Human too.

🎯

The whole point is to realize - become aware of what we are - and in the process know exactly why we are here. That there is no where else you would choose to be. The wonder and awe is in the experience of it all. Non-duality is only half the story.

[Malkom]

50 minutes ago, James123 said:

As I said before, body doesn't need me to function, it is already perfect with the moment.

It's much simpler, bro. What you're saying suggests that you don’t actually need your individual “self” for your body to function—your body operates automatically better than your conscious mind does. There's no point in meddling with processes where things work fine without you.

As humans, we only control our skeletal-muscular system. Everything else is beyond our direct control—it’s self-deception. There’s an autonomic nervous system within us, and it runs everything independently. This autonomic system splits into two parts: sympathetic and parasympathetic systems.

You can slightly influence these systems using deep breathing techniques and throat sounds. For example, when you breathe deeply from your diaphragm and make any glottal sound, you activate the vagus nerve, stimulating the sympathetic component of the autonomic system. As a result, your body shifts from stress mode into something calmer. Making throat sounds activates nerves in the neck area. Rubbing your eyes also triggers slight activation of the sympathetic nervous system. That’s pretty much it.

There's no reason to invent unnecessary entities—we follow Occam's razor principle here. Like they say back home, “Why give a goat a balalaika?” Or, as others might put it, “Who needs a fifth leg on a dog?” If something is complicated, it should improve its functionality; there should be some kind of beauty, some kind of purpose. Simply making it more complicated is pointless.

Complexity makes sense if it enhances functionality. Otherwise, complicating things serves no purpose.

[VeganAwake]

Awkward silence 

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Realize you are God, but don't get stuck up there, cause you are Human too.

He’s like the reverse parent. He’s like the defiant child demanding to play the role of his big daddy.