How you will meet your higher self

[Dodo]

Just now, Hojo said:

@DodoHow is this character your lower self?

I dont know anything about lower and higher selves. That seems like an idea floating within awareness, not awareness itself.

Maybe the main problem here stems from the fact that I take Consciousness for primary and examine direct experience, while in your direct experience a script could be happening which says "i have consciousness, but I am this other thing". 

Actually, you don't have consciousness,  in direct experience  you are consciousness. 

[Hojo]

@DodoBecause I need to talk to a character. I cant talk to something I cant interact with. Thats the problem I stated already. If you stop using the logic of the character I cant communicate with you anymore. Not out of maliciousness or anger or frustration but I literally cant. It leads to madness and is not consistent with my character or anyone elses.

Edited yesterday at 03:52 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

 

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@DodoBecause I need to talk to a character. I cant talk to something I cant interact with. Thats the problem I stated already. If you stop using the logic of the character I cant communicate with you anymore. Not out of maliciousness or anger or frustration but I literally cant. It leads to madness and is not consistent with my character or anyone elses.

There's nothing to the character than the consciousness that knows it. Im not trying to explain "everything", im going the other way. Its the radical honesty of what you really are. The character is the character, as dreams prove, its perfectly possible for you to take yourself to be someone you are not during the dream experience. Its not a problem, but its also not another self, its just what is appearing. 

I do not claim God-hood, I do not make any grandiose claims. In fact im going the other way, a journey to the smallest thing, not the grandest. To pure knowing of not knowing. The appearance is allowed to be as it is, without the need to explain how and why its appearing the way it is. I am interested in me, the smallest thing, so small its not a thing. Smaller than a point. 

 

[Hojo]

@DodoIt is a problem because it follows no logical framework that exists. We have to be able to argue or communicate whether its possible as a human right now to fly to space and fight a space dragon. 

With this logic you can say Yes I did it last night. And I cant say anything return because this logic says you are your dream character and those things happen to you in real life.

This type of thing will pop up thousands of different scenarios in our logical conversations and I will be forced to agree and not have an opinion.

When you say I am my lower self, it instantly shatters my arguments that I have that, the lower self exists based on a logic that I cannot enter, and therefore cannot have a discussion.

If you want to talk solipsistically do it but I cant talk to a solipsistic with that logic.

Edited yesterday at 04:16 PM by Hojo

[Malkom]

There is no such thing as a higher or lower self, there is only YOU.

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@DodoIt is a problem because it follows no logical framework that exists. We have to be able to argue whether its possible as a human right now to fly to space and fight a space dragon. 

With this logic you can say Yes I did it last night. And I cant say anything return because this logic says you are your dream character and those things happen to you in real life.

This type of thing will pop up thousands of different scenarios in our logical conversations and I will be forced to agree and not have an opinion.

When you say I am my lower self, it instantly shatters my arguments that I have that, the lower self exists based on a logic that I cannot enter, and therefore cannot have a discussion.

If you want to talk solipsistically do it but I cant talk to a solipsistic with that logic.

Well I've had lucid dream thank you and I really did fly, I had the actual experience of flying, it was amazing. I've also been spiderman, it was also amazing, but also unfair because both cops and bad guys are against you. 

I really was "controlling" that spiderman character or the lucid dream selves, same way I am now in waking. 

Im not talking about solipsism either. Its nondual monism i believe.

[Dodo]

@Hojo

Key concepts Monism: The belief that reality is fundamentally a single, unified entity. Everything that exists is seen as a part of this single substance, principle, or being.

Nondualism: The idea that reality is "not two". This is a refinement of monism, emphasizing that the ultimate reality is not a "one" separate from a "many," but that the concept of a separate self or object is an illusion. It negates the subject-object distinction, which is a core tenet of this philosophy.

Advaita Vedanta: A school of Hindu philosophy where the term "advaita" (meaning "not two") is central. It teaches that the individual soul (\(Atman\)) is identical with the ultimate reality (\(Brahman\)).

Transcending duality: The goal is to move beyond conceptual thinking and see reality as it is, without the divisions we typically impose. This involves recognizing that the "hard edges" separating things are not ultimately real.

"Not this, not this": Since language cannot adequately describe this ultimate reality, a common approach is to use a negative assertion. The Sanskrit phrase neti neti, meaning "not this, not this," is used to point to this ineffable truth by negating all inadequate descriptions. 

Edited yesterday at 04:26 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@DodoIts like you are talking to yourself then and you will go crazy. You dont even exist God exists but you are using a tool to communicate. You must communicate as the tool if you dont you will be put in a psyche ward because no one can stop your lunacy.

You speak as if you are God right now speaking. Your brain follows logic if you follow this logic one day you will be walking down the street telling people you are God and they will lock you up in a psyche ward.

Edited yesterday at 04:31 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@DodoIts like you are talking to yourself then and you will go crazy. You dont even exist God exists but you are using a tool to communicate. You must communicate as the tool if you dont you will be put in a psyche ward because no one can stop your lunacy.

If you start thinking too much, trying to understand and are not rooted in the present moment, you can easily go crazy 🤪 

Some would consider your talk about higher and lower selves as crazy 🤪 

Im on about what is absolutely and verifiably real, there's not many of that, and certain honesty is needed. Also not having a "so what" attitude. 

[Hojo]

@DodoSociety will think you are less crazy if you call it higher and lower self than that you are God the only non npc in the universe and that your opinion instantly rules.

Then one day you dream you have sex with a female friend and you wake up beleive it actually happened and sexually assault them when you meet them next cause you think you are dating now and now you are in jail.

Edited yesterday at 04:42 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@DodoSociety will think you are less crazy if you call it higher and lower self than that you are God the only non npc in the universe and that your opinion instantly rules.

Im not claiming Godhood, I already stated that. I simply am. 

 

[Jehovah increases]

Been talking to my God head for the past 3 days when I was stoned really stoned it was fun.

[Yimpa]

6 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

Been talking to my God head for the past 3 days when I was stoned really stoned it was fun.

“Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.” -Matthew 21:44

[Jehovah increases]

Just now, Yimpa said:

“Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.” -Matthew 21:44

Good one

[Hojo]

@DodoYou arent claiming it but you are talking from the perspective of it. While using a character saying you arent that character.

[Dodo]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@DodoYou arent claiming it but you are talking from the perspective of it. While using a character saying you arent that character.

There's no one using a character. There is an experience of a character in the light of knowing. Im just putting the knowing first, not the known.

Im saying anything known doesn't exist independently of the knowing, in my experience. Again, im not solving "reality", im merely exploring the experience present. Solving Reality would be a grandiose task. I can only speak with confidence about my experience, not about some grand world out there.

[Hojo]

15 hours ago, Dodo said:

@Hojo nah, when I dream, the dream is happening to the same me that waking is happening to. Only content is different. My dream character is not a lower me. 

I often wonder how people know some things. Like higher selves. Are people honest or are they talking about a belief they adopted from somewhere and repeating because it sounds good. 

No You arent you are saying my opinion is wrong and calling me a parrot for having it. Now youve backpedalled all the way to I am just stating my experience.

And your explanation is you are God so I cant counter argue, this is retard/schizophrenic logic or intentional manipulation.

This entire conversation could be seen as a gaslight on me.

This is what neo advita drones do.

Neo adivata drones take an opinion, hold it, argue, and then say you cant argue back, because theres no one there arguing or stating opinions. So you must just submit your opinion to what they say and you are wrong. Its not logical and people cant talk to you, and logic train that follows is schizophrenia. Maybe its not schizophrenia, in hinduism but it is in this society. You are holding two views simultaneously while using the God one to hold the argument when God has no opinions.

Edited yesterday at 05:33 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

35 minutes ago, Hojo said:

No You arent you are saying my opinion is wrong and calling me a parrot for having it. Now youve backpedalled all the way to I am just stating my experience.

And your explanation is you are God so I cant counter argue, this is retard/schizophrenic logic or intentional manipulation.

This entire conversation could be seen as a gaslight on me.

This is what neo advita drones do.

Neo adivata drones take an opinion, hold it, argue, and then say you cant argue back, because theres no one there arguing or stating opinions. So you must just submit your opinion to what they say and you are wrong. Its not logical and people cant talk to you, and logic train that follows is schizophrenia. Maybe its not schizophrenia, in hinduism but it is in this society. You are holding two views simultaneously while using the God one to hold the argument when God has no opinions.

You are putting words in my mouth, where do I claim I am God. 

Im exploring direct experience,  and I'm saying all you have is direct experience also. We are the same being, both of our totally different experiences are unified by knowing itself. What you call you is at no distance from the knowing of it. What's another way to call something at no distance from you? You.

Its you that talk about some big God idea, im only talking about simple everyday knowing itself. 

You are putting words in my mouth, don't do it. 

Edited yesterday at 05:59 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@Dodo You are speaking from the perspective of God while holding the view of a character and disagreeing with yourself? You are saying you are the dream the experience. That means I am the dream the experience you cant hold a view and you are now my slave. Theres no you to counter or argue but you are doing it. You are holding views and calling people parrots while claiming you the thing doing it dosent exist.

You are the experiences, well I am the experiences right now that means you are me and you must listen to me. The logic dosent allow seperation but you hold views like you are seperated. 

The logic dosent circle. The logic must circle to the character. You cant hold the view of a character and then switch logic and think thats sanity.

There is a big question mark in the middle of your logic.

Maybe wastern logic is schizophrenic it could be.

Edited yesterday at 06:14 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Dodo You are speaking from the perspective of God while holding the view of a character and disagreeing with yourself? You are saying you are the dream the experience. That means I am the dream the experience you cant hold a view and you are now my slave. Theres no you to counter or argue but you are doing it. You are holding views and calling people parrots while claiming you the thing doing it dosent exist.

Where did I call people parrots, again you are putting words in my mouth lol. 

What is happening right now is this conversation. Thats the shape of my entire world right now, reading what you write and answering. 

Im not saying this is a dream, it's mysterious, way beyond my understanding. What's not beyond my understanding is that the knowing in which this experience appears is the reality of this, not the content. 

The content can be this that or the other, in this case it's an experience of responding on a forum about the nature of self and how there is only one me now. Next thing you know I will have an experience of going to the toilet. From me going to the toilet, to going to the toilet is appearing in knowing.

Subtle shift, nothing godly is happening, just not identifying. 

And lets have a thought experiment, you come to attack me with a knife to see if I am identified, there will probably be an experience of a human defending themselves, that too is known. You don't need to identify with it for action. 

If you become lucid in a dream you know thats not you, but you continue to relate with the dream, just from a more free place. Less controlled by the dream. 

You get me bro, tell me you do!