Should i stop being vegan ?

[Ramasta9]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Is that quote from Jesus? There's historical consensus that he almost certainly ate fish, lamb, goat, and other meats. The rest of the list above is fairly certain too. So why were you so quick to overlook it? These were some of the most deeply conscious individuals around - and that's the point. They were still people.

Reality is colliding with your fantasies about what it means to be "conscious." You seem to think it entails a particular set of behaviors, a certain personality type or character, or a special way of life - maybe even the ability to walk on water or the aura of a "saint." But even enlightenment experiences don't necessarily stop someone from generating suffering in their own experience.

Consider that nothing has to change for you to awaken right now, and that this is already the case for everyone, exactly as they are. A breakthrough can happen at any time, independent of circumstance or lifestyle. You could be drinking a beer and eating a filet mignon and still have an enlightenment experience. Because it's not about that. No transformation is required, because it's about what is true. Healing is a different pursuit as well.

It's a bit like imagining that the clothes you wear have something to do with consciousness. But clothing is just clothing. A wool shirt might cost more than a synthetic one or itch a bit, but it doesn't change who you are. Or any metaphor to that effect.

These are the real teachings of Jesus or Christ/Krystos, not the man-made altered ones presented throughout history tailed around men and priests who couldn't accept or digest the height and depth and brilliance of Christs true and original teachings. He himself foresaw they will be distorted from his original teachings, but the Essenes kept most of the teachings well guarded and cared for, unfortunately they are not easy to find either.

There are multiple levels to it my friend, enlightenment is not truly understood and I don't think anyone is teaching the full story.

I am talking about a higher mastery altogether, that very few share and yet there are some who walked this path in full.

Those we call "ascended masters" they teach of such ways of spiritual perfection and mastery over reality. 

Most people will settle with inner-peace, but there are far more layers within layers and brilliance of light you can harness and embody. Think immortality and instant regeneration and transmutation, that shifts people.

The greater the light you can harness and generate, the more empowering your effect upon the whole.

Sometimes settling for inner-peace can be somewhat selfish, there's nothing to do, no one to help and yet...

Jesus and Buddha's name still ring far louder than any other, not Ramana, Trungpa, Osho or Sun Tzu, not any of these more modern gurus.

There is a clear reason for that, the level of spiritual perfection they attained was beyond, and that's why their names echo still to this day louder than others, its a call from a greater place, to recognize and realize something greater, and that's what changes worlds.

Edited 16 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Carl-Richard]

On 19.11.2025 at 1:04 PM, Ramasta9 said:

Of course compassion extends to all life, but it's not the same thing I'm speaking to here. A tree or plant does not "resist death" in the same way an animal does, nor does it express the same intensity of will to live.

There's a clear difference between taking the life of a being that actively resists death and harvesting something that doesn’t operate through pain-avoidance, fear-response, or a survival drive in the same way.

Plants stem evolutionarily from mobile single-celled organisms. They avoid noxious stimuli and seek pleasant ones. That they planted themselves on the ground doesn't eliminate their intrinsically dynamic existence, but in that form, it might need a timelapse to become apparent. But yes, we have particular fondness for more mammalian-like life with limbic systems and social emotions and we like to not cause unneccessary emotional suffering. But on the level of pure sentience, we're not at a neutral ground eating anything that is alive.

 

On 19.11.2025 at 1:04 PM, Ramasta9 said:

No, and we don't need numbers, because historically and cross-culturally, the vast majority of spiritual masters, mystics, monks, yogis, sadhus, rishis, daoist adepts, Jain saints, buddhist monks, and contemplatives naturally gravitated toward vegetarian or vegan diets. It's the norm, not the exception. It's simply observable, the pattern speaks for itself.

Historically, yes, as they mostly lived in cultures where vegetarianism is more common. Cross-culturally is more thorny, especially contemporary Western, and it needs numbers in my opinion.

Edited 12 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[UnbornTao]

11 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

These are the real teachings of Jesus or Christ/Krystos, not the man-made altered ones presented throughout history tailed around men and priests who couldn't accept or digest the height and depth and brilliance of Christs true and original teachings. He himself foresaw they will be distorted from his original teachings, but the Essenes kept most of the teachings well guarded and cared for, unfortunately they are not easy to find either.

There are multiple levels to it my friend, enlightenment is not truly understood and I don't think anyone is teaching the full story.

I am talking about a higher mastery altogether, that very few share and yet there are some who walked this path in full.

Those we call "ascended masters" they teach of such ways of spiritual perfection and mastery over reality. 

Most people will settle with inner-peace, but there are far more layers within layers and brilliance of light you can harness and embody. Think immortality and instant regeneration and transmutation, that shifts people.

The greater the light you can harness and generate, the more empowering your effect upon the whole.

Sometimes settling for inner-peace can be somewhat selfish, there's nothing to do, no one to help and yet...

Jesus and Buddha's name still ring far louder than any other, not Ramana, Trungpa, Osho or Sun Tzu, not any of these more modern gurus.

There is a clear reason for that, the level of spiritual perfection they attained was beyond, and that's why their names echo still to this day louder than others, its a call from a greater place, to recognize and realize something greater, and that's what changes worlds.

You keep struggling to acknowledge the real historical examples above.

It's possible for you to realize the truth now, exactly as you are. Nothing needs to change - certainly not your "clothing."

Edited 4 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Ramasta9]

Insight isn’t the whole picture my friends, awakening has layers.

Awakening can start as a mental realization, but full spiritual development includes the heart, the body, the nervous system, and the subtle emotional layers. Some people stop at the insight level (no-self / no-separation), but deeper embodiment continues long after that.

This affects behavior, lifestyle, choices, and even diet. And when embodiment matures, harming other beings becomes naturally impossible.

When the heart fully opens and the body is purified, the felt-sense of Oneness becomes so strong that harming or killing another creature feels like harming yourself. It's not a moral stance. It's a direct energetic sensitivity that emerges from embodiment.

Diet matters not as ideology, but because it influences the subtle body. Different foods affect the nervous system, emotions, and energetic clarity.

Heavy, dead, or violently-obtained foods make embodiment harder and blunt sensitivity. Lighter, living foods support clarity, empathy, and subtle awareness. This isn't about dogma, it's about how physiology and consciousness interact.

And historical spiritual traditions understood this.

Many ancient traditions, including the Essenes, early Buddhists, Taoists, yogic traditions ect... saw diet as part of spiritual purification.

Whether or not the passages quoted are historically exact, the underlying principle is very old: consciousness expresses through the body, so purifying the body changes the expression of consciousness. This is the overall essence of my teachings and sharings.

I’m not claiming superiority, just pointing to an aspect of awakening many modern teachings ignore.

I’m not saying some people are 'less enlightened.' I’m saying modern non-duality often emphasizes mental awakening and ignores embodiment.

As when embodiment deepens, lifestyle habits often shift naturally, not out of ideology, but because sensitivity increases.

Awakening includes how you live, not just what you realize.

If realization doesn't transform behavior, relationship to the body, or relationship to life, then it's not yet fully integrated. Not because of morality, but because the body, heart, and mind become aligned.

For some people, that includes losing the desire for meat or cooked food.

For others, that comes later or never, but it's part of the potential path.

[Ramasta9]

As for Jesus eating meat, if we’re being honest and historically realistic:

The Essenes ate no flesh.

They practiced strict raw food diets.

They believed in subtle bodies and purification.

They taught breathwork, fasting, and living foods.

They called the body "the temple of God."

These passages match Essene tradition almost perfectly.

And the Essenes are the group Jesus was most shaped by.

So yes, these teachings are far closer to the kind of thing a fully awakened Jewish mystic of that lineage would teach than the modern Christian church’s teachings.

And if Christ had full realization, he absolutely would:

Teach harmlessness

Teach purification

Reject unnecessary killing

Align with oneness

Teach diet as part of spiritual transmutation

Because a fully realized being sees every creature as themselves.