Should i stop being vegan ?

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, integral said:

Extrapolation leap. "if less is better, none is best".

"If fasting is good for you, not eating is best"

"If exercise improves health, exercising all day is best"

"If reducing sodium helps blood pressure, eliminating all sodium is best"

"If sun exposure produces vitamin D, constant sun exposure is best"

"If caloric restriction extends lifespan, severe restriction is best"

"If antioxidants are beneficial, megadosing supplements is best"

"If sleep is restorative, sleeping 12+ hours daily is best"

"If reducing stress is healthy, eliminating all challenge is best"

"If some alcohol has cardiovascular benefits, more alcohol is best"

"If fiber aids digestion, maximum fiber intake is best"

"If cold exposure activates brown fat, extreme cold is best"

"If mindfulness meditation reduces anxiety, meditating constantly is best"

"If processed foods are unhealthy, eliminating all processing is best"

"If reducing sugar improves health, zero sugar is best"

"If stretching prevents injury, stretching for hours is best"

"If social connection improves wellbeing, never being alone is best"

This is the mistake every scientist makes and every salesman exploits.

"If you can't find 12 examples on the top of your head, ChatGPT will". Jking.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Jannes]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Are you saying that life isn't worth living if you're going to have problems and die.

If that's the case it's a projection of neurosis, of a mood disorder; it's as simple as that.

Its not a typical life with ups and downs, tragedies but also some good, its being enboxed with basically no space to move, constant stress etc. Its a life of only suffering. Talking about industrial livestock of course. Have you watched these documentaries or pictures from Peta?

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Industrial farm doesn't really mean much.

A pig can be fine in a typical industrial farm, and chickens can be stressed and cramped in "free-range" farms.

As a general rule, if I had to eat less meat, I would eat less chicken; a chicken produces much less meat, of course, but you can be pretty sure that a pig or a cow will be better cared for.

 

At least in germany there are certain standards that need to be met for a given label. 

Chicken arent as smart but have such little meat compared to a pig or a cow that the later would probably be more ethical. Imagine breeding a dumbass whale which feeds on alge for that purpose. Why are pigs or cows taken better care of then chicken?

[Schizophonia]

27 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Its not a typical life with ups and downs, tragedies but also some good, its being enboxed with basically no space to move, constant stress etc. Its a life of only suffering. Talking about industrial livestock of course. Have you watched these documentaries or pictures from Peta?

I'm talking about most farms; not the worst ones.

I could make you a compilation of several hours of guys being tortured in Mexico by cartels, does that mean life in Mexico in general is Mordor; no, because Mexico is not just about settling scores between drug dealers.

The only documentary I've watched was Earthlings but it's basically a vegan snuff film; the vast majority of factory farms aren't like that and I know because I've been on plenty; that's what I criticized Emerald for.

Now, if you project your human standards onto them it might seem mediocre but a cow isn't a human; they have 50 times fewer brain cells than you and have been bred over generations to function that way.
If you try to run a cannibalistic human farm lol, or even a wild boar farm of course it won't work; because they will attack you and things like that.

 

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At least in germany there are certain standards that need to be met for a given label. 

 

Chicken arent as smart but have such little meat compared to a pig or a cow that the later would probably be more ethical. Imagine breeding a dumbass whale which feeds on alge for that purpose. Why are pigs or cows taken better care of then chicken?

Because it's bigger, smarter, cleaner, and generally stresses out faster.

There are also some pretty random reasons, like for exemple if you leave the sows with their piglets, in many cases entire litters die because she crush them lol; so you have to be present during the birthing and separate the piglets from their mother, at least while they're nursing, for example with a cage.

You also have to remove the excrement and urine and keep them fed all the time.
Lots of things like that.

Edited 43 minutes ago by Schizophonia

[Jannes]

37 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I'm talking about most farms; not the worst ones.

I could make you a compilation of several hours of guys being tortured in Mexico by cartels, does that mean life in Mexico in general is Mordor; no, because Mexico is not just about settling scores between drug dealers.

The only documentary I've watched was Earthlings but it's basically a vegan snuff film; the vast majority of factory farms aren't like that and I know because I've been on plenty; that's what I criticized Emerald for.

Now, if you project your human standards onto them it might seem mediocre but a cow isn't a human; they have 50 times fewer brain cells than you and have been bred over generations to function that way.
If you try to run a cannibalistic human farm lol, or even a wild boar farm of course it won't work; because they will attack you and things like that.

Have you visited the average farm with cheap meat though? Did you know the price of the meat that came from the farms you visited?

It would be worse for humans for sure, but animals also have basic needs like stretching, moving, not constant stress, etc. which will likely feel similiarly bad to how humans feel bad about not having these needs met. 

I you freed the pigs and cows they could still function in nature. Especially pigs. They arent really different creatures.