What you guys are stuck at

[Ishanga]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

Guys all of you,

It is not an experience, feeling, knowledge, belief etc... 

I have no idea why you guys talking all this bs. 

You are here to kind of gossip or just talk or I know better than you, something like that, not real work.

This is True, but You are guilty of it as well, as are all of Us that participate in this forum.. You started the thread tell all of us what we are stuck on, so that is no different from all the replies here, which proves the point, identification with ideology is rampant here..

There is a recent post on the kriya thread, how someone just got back into kriya yoga after a layoff and how the process has opened their eyes, this is real, not this ideological difference discussions that dominate this forum, it proves the level of Awareness here is not very high, even from those experienced psychedelic users that claim via the usage they are enlightened, obviously not!!

Edited 9 hours ago by Ishanga

[Mellowmarsh]

20 minutes ago, James123 said:

Guys all of you,

It is not an experience, feeling, knowledge, belief etc... 

I have no idea why you guys talking all this bs. 

You are here to kind of gossip or just talk or I know better than you, something like that, not real work.

My god, if your ego got any bigger it would block out the sun. Shut up ffs.

[Mellowmarsh]

59 minutes ago, Hojo said:

 

A formless being can realize itself. It can see itself

 

That’s like saying Cinderella can see her biological Father. 

[Hojo]

@MellowmarshClose your eyes do you see form? If you closed your eyes and saw no form and then opened your eyes and saw no form and then lost the ability to determine where inside and outside was you would be it.

If cinderallas biological father was right behind her eyes then maybe the analogy would work minutely.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[Dodo]

19 minutes ago, James123 said:

Guys all of you,

It is not an experience, feeling, knowledge, belief etc... 

I have no idea why you guys talking all this bs. 

You are here to kind of gossip or just talk or I know better than you, something like that, not real work.

Oh this is rich, tell me more, master. Can I not do the consciousness work while typing, I can only do it while under a tree meditating? Somehow I am conscious while meditating, but not conscious while typing.

You are mistaking the action for the being behind it. 

[Malkom]

23 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is the misunderstanding. There is no me to be aware. Knowing is an illusion and the dream of separation which is also the awareness concept. Without it there is no dream. You are speaking from the dream as the dream. Nothingness is not awareness. Nothingness is deep sleep which knows nothing. What do you know when you're asleep, nothing. Awareness is the dream that knows, both are simultaneous not really happening only appears to be and can only exist with an observer present. That observer isn't really there as immediacy cannot be observed, it's an illusion.

How can there be no "I" if there is "YOU"? Princess, answer honestly, are you a Zen Buddhist? Or do you teach psychology or philosophy? I just want to test my intuition and erudition. Although, in my opinion, this is obvious.
Just in case, I'm not a Zen Buddhist, a fatalist, an idealist, a materialist, or any other kind of IST. And no one is an authority on such matters, even Leo, I can listen, yes, but I'm the one who draws the line. I don't care about any teachings at all, and I'm not enlightened, by the way, and I don't really care about enlightenment. I simply AM.
I generally advocate going through life easily and playfully.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Hojo said:

@MellowmarshClose your eyes do you see form?

Now you are saying the formless can see itself only when it’s eyelids are open.

 

That’s still like popeye saying he can see his biological Mother.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Malkom said:

How can there be no "I" if there is "YOU"? Princess, answer honestly, are you a Zen Buddhist? Or do you teach psychology or philosophy? I just want to test my intuition and erudition. Although, in my opinion, this is obvious.
Just in case, I'm not a Zen Buddhist, a fatalist, an idealist, a materialist, or any other kind of IST. And no one is an authority on such matters, even Leo, I can listen, yes, but I'm the one who draws the line. I don't care about any teachings at all, and I'm not enlightened, by the way, and I don't really care about enlightenment. I simply AM.
I generally advocate going through life easily and playfully.

I'm sorry, what is your question?

[Dodo]

14 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

No knower without the known. 

No separate knower and known. Both made out of knowing itself. No light of knowing, no anything. And we have direct evidence proof of knowing, so we can't deny it. 

[Hojo]

@MellowmarshYes your eyes must open and you must experience something other than the nothing God to know God. You see God in the contrast between its states. If you just stayed in nothing you wouldn't know and cant know. God can know by the contrast between being alive and dead.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[Malkom]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

I'm sorry, what is your question?

Have you studied Zen Buddhism before? Or perhaps you teach in philosophy departments? If I asked a personal and awkward question, you don't have to answer.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Malkom said:

Have you studied Zen Buddhism before? Or perhaps you teach in philosophy departments? If I asked a personal and awkward question, you don't have to answer.

I have no direct experience in Zen Buddhism, no. Just speaking from speaking itself as speaking. These words speak themselves.

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Dodo said:

No separate knower and known. Both made out of knowing itself. No light of knowing, no anything. And we have direct evidence proof of knowing, so we can't deny it. 

We know we know nothing. But so what?

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Malkom said:

How can there be no "I" if there is "YOU"? Princess, answer honestly, are you a Zen Buddhist? Or do you teach psychology or philosophy? I just want to test my intuition and erudition. Although, in my opinion, this is obvious.
Just in case, I'm not a Zen Buddhist, a fatalist, an idealist, a materialist, or any other kind of IST. And no one is an authority on such matters, even Leo, I can listen, yes, but I'm the one who draws the line. I don't care about any teachings at all, and I'm not enlightened, by the way, and I don't really care about enlightenment. I simply AM.
I generally advocate going through life easily and playfully.

No one cares. 
 

Stories have about as much substance as a subroutine in a computer programme. 

 

[Dodo]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

We know we know nothing. But so what?

To know we know nothing, we already imply knowing while not focusing on it, in the background. By focusing on the knowing itself by which knower and known are both known, we are unifying inside and outside, knower and known exist within the same knowing and its us, we are going nondual 😆 

I myself trust that this is important. 

[James123]

I tell for you guys.

Believe or not believe.

If you don't suffer and make the form gossip place or I know much better etc... not you but enlightenment will catch you at physical death. And it won't be easy. The one who has all this arrogance, ego, highbrow is going to burn very well, non stop, till completely surrender. And again it is going to be hell. 

So get ready.

Peace. 

[Mellowmarsh]

8 minutes ago, Dodo said:

To know we know nothing, we already imply knowing while not focusing on it, in the background. By focusing on the knowing itself by which knower and known are both known, we are unifying inside and outside, knower and known exist within the same knowing and its us, we are going nondual 😆 

I myself trust that this is important. 

 

 

There’s no such thing as nonduality because nonduality is not a thing. 

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

I tell for you guys.

Believe or not believe.

If you don't suffer and make the form gossip place or I know much better etc... not you but enlightenment will catch you at physical death. And it won't be easy. The one who has all this arrogance, ego, highbrow is going to burn very well, non stop, till completely surrender. And again it is going to be hell. 

So get ready.

Peace. 

Just go sit on your mountain top in your nappy and shut up. Please for the love of God, just do this one thing, if you dare.
 

 

[Dodo]

34 minutes ago, James123 said:

I tell for you guys.

Believe or not believe.

If you don't suffer and make the form gossip place or I know much better etc... not you but enlightenment will catch you at physical death. And it won't be easy. The one who has all this arrogance, ego, highbrow is going to burn very well, non stop, till completely surrender. And again it is going to be hell. 

So get ready.

Peace. 

Ah, now we're talking. We have a mental illness on our hands. Lets spread fear guys, because we realised unity. Can't believe I  originally gave you credit, you're clearly in lala land. You'll do yourself a solid if you read this thread, if you can get past your ego. 

 

[theoneandnone]

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