This world is a trap

[Dodo]

 

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Can you quote where I've said that everything is an illusion. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE I SAID NO SUCH THING. I said you are. You don't exist. Awareness is the dream and that actual knowing you speak about is also the dream, the dream of knowing, that energy is delusional. Nothing is or can be known. All you speak about is the dream you're all engulfed in and cannot see otherwise because there's actually nothing to see. So the dream is it's own reality and speaks from that place. The crabs are always trying to grab me back down into the pot.

Im not here for word games. Awareness = true. How else are you aware of my replies, whether they be true or false, you are aware of them. What is aware? Self inquiry, no mental masturbation.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

 

Im not here for word games. Awareness = true. How else are you aware of my replies, whether they be true or false, you are aware of them. What is aware? Self inquiry, no mental masturbation.

Self-inquiry is the biggest spiritual delusion of practices. "(You) are (aware) of (them)", 3 things there; there is no separation of any kind so who is aware of what without separation. Only apparently and seems that way. You've been duped, but not really cause you're not even there.

Edited 21 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Dodo]

27 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Self-inquiry is the biggest spiritual delusion of practices. "(You) are (aware) of (them)", 3 things there; there is no separation of any kind so who is aware of what without separation. Only apparently and seems that way. You've been duped, but not really cause you're not even there.

Nope, nothing can exist apart from awareness. You've never experienced anything outside of awareness. I've never experienced anything outside of awareness. Awareness is all that is trully real, you are simply ignoring it. Yet your ignorance happens within awareness also. Not my awareness, not your awareness, pure impersonal awareness/knowing.

Not a single experience whether real or illusory can exist outside of or apart from awareness. All experience is made of awareness and known by awareness. No duality at all. Awareness is not a person, not personal, its formless timeless being.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Dodo

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

Nope, nothing can exist apart from awareness. You've never experienced anything outside of awareness. I've never experienced anything outside of awareness. Awareness is all that is trully real, you are simply ignoring it. Yet your ignorance happens within awareness also. Not my awareness, not your awareness, pure impersonal awareness/knowing.

Not a single experience whether real or illusory can exist outside of or apart from awareness. All experience is made of awareness and known by awareness. No duality at all. Awareness is not a person, not personal, its formless timeless being.

 

Nice. Sounds like a song adapted from a play. All you've just described was the dream without even realizing it. There is nothing outside of the dream of separation. Not a single experience can happen outside the dream of awareness.....yadi di, yadi da, perfect expression of how a dream inside wholeness operates. 

Can I ask you a question. Are you aware of your esophagus right now; and if not, how come since you are this awareness that's aware of everything....oops maybe only certain things that's convenient.

Edited 19 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[UnbornTao]

But I love lasagna!

[Dodo]

45 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Nice. Sounds like a song adapted from a play. All you've just described was the dream without even realizing it. There is nothing outside of the dream of separation. Not a single experience can happen outside the dream of awareness.....yadi di, yadi da, perfect expression of how a dream inside wholeness operates. 

Can I ask you a question. Are you aware of your esophagus right now; and if not, how come since you are this awareness that's aware of everything....oops maybe only certain things that's convenient.

No, as the character in the dream Dodo, I do not have knowledge of Everything at once, that would be insanity.

But i put forward that everything that can exist, can only do so within awareness. An experience of an esophagus can only exist within awareness. No awareness, utter darkness, no anything. 

There comes a point where you are just not here in good faith to honestly look at the accuracy of what I'm saying. You are here to argue and you are right always with your version of radical nondual talk because you always can reject any object as true and call it dream. But here's the thing, awareness is something that is not an object and true at the same time. It literally cant be within the dream, because any dream is within it and made of it. 

I think im using some of the most clear language one can use on this topic. I can't help more with words. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Dodo

[Dodo]

17 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

But I love lasagna!

What I'm trying to essentially say, is that what the lasagna is made out of is awareness/knowing and not matter. Top lols, right?

@Princess Arabia what is the nature of reality please if you would enlighten me then if its not awareness,  which is self evident. Are you secretly a materialist?

Edited 18 hours ago by Dodo

[UnbornTao]

7 minutes ago, Dodo said:

What I'm trying to essentially say, is that what the lasagna is made out of is awareness/knowing and not matter. Top lols, right?

@Princess Arabia what is the nature of reality please if you would enlighten me then if its not awareness,  which is self evident. Are you secretly a materialist?

I'll have some awareness with the wine.

[Ramasta9]

8 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Fine, I respect your view. However, this is mine. Spiritually speaking, I'm not here to help anyone. No one needs help or can be helped in this domain. What you're speaking of is more of the artificial reality, one that doesn't exist. Why are you telling me that if I want to help someone I should so and so. Obviously something must be wrong with your reality and the one you've projected unto the world why you speak of helping someone. No heed for help if all is well. Why try to grab me back down in the crab pot from which you came. I'm already out of that pot. 

What I speak is what's obvious to me even though it's not necessarily clear. When I go to sleep there's nothing there and when I wake up it's back again. Why is that. I die some day, why is that, and i was not there at one time, why is that. Not questions that needs answers. I don't really care about your fake compassion and false truths in trying to make me seem like the enemy here and I'm not trying to sound enlightened either as there's no such thing. The world you speak of is more fake than the one i mentioned here but you're too wrapped up in your own self to see otherwise and thinking you're someone with a life that lives in a world that needs maneuvering by you. If that's not narcissism and neurosis, I don't know what is when you don't even know who you are. Sorry that I didn't help you or anyone else in your eyes by my words, but I'm not nihilistic and don't see a world where anyone needs to be spiritually helped.

To tell you the truth, I resonate more with my way of speaking about this stuff than what you've said. You've also projected your ideas of me unto me and have made a lot of assumptions about what I've said. There is also no such thing as a non-dual teaching and no such thing as non-dual or spiritual bypass. You're the one caught up in the invisible trap and have bought into these conceptual ideas which makes no sense when thoroughly investigated. I will not let you or anyone else tell me how to speak and you can all you want think I'm just talking out my ass and parroting or whatever it is that you think is going on here. I'm more comfortable in this 'world' than your fake one. One where it's quite obvious that I am the common denominator and when I awake in the mornings is when the troubles begin and when I go to bed and asleep they end.

That tells me what the problem is and that there actually isn't any, no traps and nothing to fear or lose but my own sense of self that ism't really there even though it feels like it and there's nothing i can do about it and nothing i can do for others about it either quite the contrary to what you believe when you insinuate helping others. I don't see anyone to help you do, and that's a projection because you see a you that needs helping, but I don't.

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Dodo said:

@Princess Arabia what is the nature of reality please if you would enlighten me then if its not awareness,  which is self evident. Are you secretly a materialist?

There is no nature of reality in the Absolute sense. The only reality is your reality, like you say awareness, which also includes the I AM and consciousness. It's all the dream reality. There's nothing outside of it, everything is in relation to it and it is all it knows. It functions in a linear fashion and is dependent on other for it's confirmation and existence. That's all the dream. Awareness is a dream concept and one cannot exist without the other.

There's a sense that arises within the body that says I AM, I am here, and everything else is over there...it's a felt sense but it isn't real and it isn't really there. I'm not sure where it comes from but it certainly doesn't appear in deep sleep. It lives in it's own reality and that's what you've described above. Without you, there's no reality but you don't exist so there's no reality other than the one the dream created. Nothing can be done about it as it's not really happening. This is just energy talking and words talking themselves with no one behind them. There's no one aware of anything and no one is conscious. There is only deep sleep and that's what nothing is which can appear as anything including bodies that seem to have awareness but that's just an appearance and isn't real. Nothing is.

 

[Mellowmarsh]

13 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Fine, I respect your view. However, this is mine. Spiritually speaking, I'm not here to help anyone. No one needs help or can be helped in this domain. What you're speaking of is more of the artificial reality, one that doesn't exist. Why are you telling me that if I want to help someone I should so and so. Obviously something must be wrong with your reality and the one you've projected unto the world why you speak of helping someone. No heed for help if all is well. Why try to grab me back down in the crab pot from which you came. I'm already out of that pot. 

What I speak is what's obvious to me even though it's not necessarily clear. When I go to sleep there's nothing there and when I wake up it's back again. Why is that. I die some day, why is that, and i was not there at one time, why is that. Not questions that needs answers. I don't really care about your fake compassion and false truths in trying to make me seem like the enemy here and I'm not trying to sound enlightened either as there's no such thing. The world you speak of is more fake than the one i mentioned here but you're too wrapped up in your own self to see otherwise and thinking you're someone with a life that lives in a world that needs maneuvering by you. If that's not narcissism and neurosis, I don't know what is when you don't even know who you are. Sorry that I didn't help you or anyone else in your eyes by my words, but I'm not nihilistic and don't see a world where anyone needs to be spiritually helped.

To tell you the truth, I resonate more with my way of speaking about this stuff than what you've said. You've also projected your ideas of me unto me and have made a lot of assumptions about what I've said. There is also no such thing as a non-dual teaching and no such thing as non-dual or spiritual bypass. You're the one caught up in the invisible trap and have bought into these conceptual ideas which makes no sense when thoroughly investigated. I will not let you or anyone else tell me how to speak and you can all you want think I'm just talking out my ass and parroting or whatever it is that you think is going on here. I'm more comfortable in this 'world' than your fake one. One where it's quite obvious that I am the common denominator and when I awake in the mornings is when the troubles begin and when I go to bed and asleep they end.

That tells me what the problem is and that there actually isn't any, no traps and nothing to fear or lose but my own sense of self that ism't really there even though it feels like it and there's nothing i can do about it and nothing i can do for others about it either quite the contrary to what you believe when you insinuate helping others. I don't see anyone to help you do, and that's a projection because you see a you that needs helping, but I don't.

I’ve been reading a lot of your posts lately , for no reason other than they never fail to draw me in to a truth that is so raw and unfiltered that it’s probably very difficult to be heard by some readers. Personally what I’m reading when I read your posts is an exact model of how I would present my own personal mental musings when thinking upon these same thought things.

Once the illusion of separation is shattered there’s no returning to it. That’s why I’ve often heard people talk about awakening as a realisation that most people wouldn’t want. Although it’s not even some state to achieve anyway. 
The recognition is often a purely spontaneous process brought about by just being a self aware agent who is capable of self reflection. Not everyone identifies with their reflection as being unreal,, rather they prefer to identify it as being real.

 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

It functions in a linear fashion

It could also possibly function in a cyclical fashion. 
Maybe why the arrows on the clocks never move in an anti-clockwise fashion the same reason river’s never run backwards, or that seeing can only see what’s in front and never what’s behind.

 

Did life ever have a beginning. Or, is life just an endless seamless stream of energy appearing, disappearing, and reappearing, infinitely for eternity? 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It could also possibly function in a cyclical fashion. 
Maybe why the arrows on the clocks never move in an anti-clockwise fashion the same reason river’s never run backwards, or that seeing can only see what’s in front and never what’s behind.

 

Did life ever have a beginning. Or, is life just an endless seamless stream of energy appearing, disappearing, and reappearing, infinitely for eternity? 

Because vision is only forward facing, it proves consciousness has no beginning, or that it’s not coming from some past, rather, consciousness is appearing only now, eternal present. It cannot be freeze framed into having a beginning or end. 

Consciousness is simply popping in and popping out of existence at any random juncture within infinity. There’s no discernible start or end to consciousness, because it’s the absolute source of existence. From source to source an endless spring.

[Mellowmarsh]

But of course there’s also a YOU as well, there’s something identifiable, the objective world of others exist.

The external world is not being denied here, it exists as a dream exists, where this apparent real You, can be seen as a not You, an unreal You.

 

There’s nothing that is Seeing You.

 You is known conceptually, never SEEN

Edited 8 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Mellowmarsh]

And yes. This world is a trap to every known conscious agent. Because awakening informs infinite consciousness that there’s no way out of infinite consciousness.

And that sleep is one’s only relief.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[vibv]

11 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

But I love lasagna!

i Know! But think about how disrespectful it is to other lifeforms on this planet when we just celebrate our greed and addictions.

Eating plants is also a form of domination.

It'd be wise to not use more ressources than we really need.

[Dodo]

11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no nature of reality in the Absolute sense. The only reality is your reality, like you say awareness, which also includes the I AM and consciousness. It's all the dream reality. There's nothing outside of it, everything is in relation to it and it is all it knows. It functions in a linear fashion and is dependent on other for it's confirmation and existence. That's all the dream. Awareness is a dream concept and one cannot exist without the other.

There's a sense that arises within the body that says I AM, I am here, and everything else is over there...it's a felt sense but it isn't real and it isn't really there. I'm not sure where it comes from but it certainly doesn't appear in deep sleep. It lives in it's own reality and that's what you've described above. Without you, there's no reality but you don't exist so there's no reality other than the one the dream created. Nothing can be done about it as it's not really happening. This is just energy talking and words talking themselves with no one behind them. There's no one aware of anything and no one is conscious. There is only deep sleep and that's what nothing is which can appear as anything including bodies that seem to have awareness but that's just an appearance and isn't real. Nothing is.

 

You see how disingenuous your post is, since you need awareness to write it after needing awareness to read mine. 

The present moment is undeniably real. You mistake content which might be unreal with the reality of the moment itself. 

In a dream at night we KNOW its not real, yet there is something real there. The awareness that knows it, you. 

That awareness doesnt die when the dream dies, its what the dream is made of, the awareness is not inside the dream, the dream is inside awareness.  Its not dualistic, you just haven't investigated that all that is known of things is the knowing of them, not the things themselves. 

You dont have a lasagna, you have the knowing of it only in direct experience. Knowing is the absolute nature of reality, you are just not able to see through your own concepts that this which knows the concepts is not itself a concept.

Its more real if you write "I don't know" than claiming no absolute nature of reality. Maybe you dont know what I mean by words like reality and awareness and you slay your own stick figures. I use awareness and consciousness interchangably, and reality is that which is undeniably real, now - not your concepts and independent "things", only knowing knowing itself. 

If you speak, you use knowing to do so, before you spoke there was knowing and after you speak there is knowing. Its the fundamental nature of reality. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’ve been reading a lot of your posts lately , for no reason other than they never fail to draw me in to a truth that is so raw and unfiltered that it’s probably very difficult to be heard by some readers.

Yes, some don't want to hear certain things, they can't stand it; they just want to be helped, relief from the pain they feel from the illusion of separation. It's very painful to feel that. It feels lonely, desolate and in need of an embrace. I don't offer that embrace and i get flack for that.

[Dodo]

8 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

And yes. This world is a trap to every known conscious agent. Because awakening informs infinite consciousness that there’s no way out of infinite consciousness.

And that sleep is one’s only relief.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, some don't want to hear certain things, they can't stand it; they just want to be helped, relief from the pain they feel from the illusion of separation. It's very painful to feel that. It feels lonely, desolate and in need of an embrace. I don't offer that embrace and i get flack for that.

Even the guy you're agreeing is saying you cant escape consciousness. Another way of saying, Its the fundamental nature of reality. He again makes some dramatic story out of it "no escape" as if its aa bad thing. Its not a bad thing, consciousness is boundless and everything is made of it. This is in line with each of ours direct experiential evidence. 

 

[vibv]

Why is it that every thread escalates into site-long discussions who has the more accurate description of consciousness? Must be the nature of this place, huh?

@Dodo No escape is one thing. I talk about unforeseen consequences. We're riding this place like an accelerating rollercoaster into..into what?