What are crop circles ?

[theoneandnone]

Watching the movie signs and I wonder what they are and they don’t seem as common anymore I feel like crop circles aliens do is equivalent to a man being stuck on a island and putting sticks together as a “help” signal. But for the Aliens it is signals for other aliens to land or maybe to let them know there’s resources in the area or something?

[Sandroew]

I just saw a youtube short today about Wallabys in Tasmania high on poppys (heroin) making them crop circles. Apparently they got caught on camera but didnt see the actual footage.

[Wilhelm44]

Yeah the size and geometric precision on some of these circles are beyond human pranksters or wallabies lol. 

[Joshe]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah the size and geometric precision on some of these circles are beyond human pranksters or wallabies lol. 

Have you personally verified how difficult it would be to produce the geometrically precise circles and run a demo study on the likelihood an average bloke could pull it off? Or did you simply take for granted those documentaries and tv shows were being honest and good faith, putting integrity before sensationalist profit? 

[Wilhelm44]

10 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Have you personally verified how difficult it would be to produce the geometrically precise circles and run a demo study on the likelihood an average bloke could pull it off? Or did you simply take for granted those documentaries and tv shows were being honest and good faith, putting integrity before sensationalist profit? 

How would you and your team produce something like this over night ?

I could ask you the same thing. Have you personally verified that it wasn't produced by non human entities ?

[Wilhelm44]

@Joshe

[Joshe]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I could ask you the same thing. Have you personally verified that it wasn't produced by non human entities ?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The jump to "non-human" is an extraordinary claim. 

Just because you can't fathom how it could be done doesn't mean it can't be done. This is kind of the whole point of magicians, artists, etc. These types of people exist and are driven to create extraordinary spectacles. This is the simplest and most reasonable explanation. 

If you gave me a month or two, I could figure out how to produce those crop circles in your photo. Totally doable. You could map all the measurements out on paper and then just scale up as needed. Would it be easy? No. But that's why elaborate crop circles boggle the mind - because they're not easy to make sense of. Hence the point of their existence - spectacle. 

People create mystery because mystery captures attention.

Edited Sunday at 01:22 PM by Joshe

[Wilhelm44]

20 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The jump to "non-human" is an extraordinary claim. 

Just because you can't fathom how it could be done doesn't mean it can't be done. This is kind of the whole point of magicians, artists, etc. These types of people exist and are driven to create extraordinary spectacles. This is the simplest and most reasonable explanation. 

If you gave me a month or two, I could figure out how to produce those crop circles in your photo. Totally doable. You could map all the measurements out on paper and then just scale up as needed. Would it be easy? No. But that's why elaborate crop circles boggle the mind - because they're not easy to make sense of. Hence the point of their existence - spectacle. 

 Being sceptical can eventually become a trap in itself. It sounds like you are completely closed off to the possibility of this being anything else than human pranksters. Did you watch the short clip about radiation levels measured at some of these sights ?

Have any of these pranksters ever been caught destroying the farmers' crops.

I am curious, do you believe in the existence of alien beings ? 

[Wilhelm44]

@Joshe   Maybe look into some of the evidence before dismissing it right away.

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Joshe   Maybe look into some of the evidence before dismissing it right away.

The problem is, what you call "evidence" is not what passes as evidence for me. You tell me to look at evidence and share with me a clip from a guy who has the epistemic rigor of a child. 

For example, who measured the radiation? I'm betting it wasn't an unbiased scientific measurement. If not, then the "radiation" angle should be thrown out. And this applies to any and all other evidence that hasn't been verified by reputable sources. If you can scientifically verify these things without relying on anecdotal or 3rd party testimony of people whose characters you have zero knowledge of, that's how I buy in. 

Also, I don't dismiss the possibilty, but without sufficient evidence, I don't lean towards paranormal phenomena. I'm betting that if you were to do an honest assessment of the evidence you'd find your entire position is propped up by unfalsifiable, anecdotal claims. Given what I know about humans and the games they play, I don't put much weight on such evidence. 

People say "look into it before you judge it", and every time I do, its the same thing. Simple explanations that explain it that get swept under the rug by motivated reasoning. 

I'm not the one making the mistake here. Crop circles are man-made. 

Edited Sunday at 03:09 PM by Joshe

[Wilhelm44]

14 minutes ago, Joshe said:

The problem is, what you call "evidence" is not what passes as evidence for me. You tell me to look at evidence and share with me a clip from a guy who has the epistemic rigor of a child. 

For example, who measured the radiation? I'm betting it wasn't an unbiased scientific measurement. If not, then the "radiation" angle should be thrown out. And this applies to any and all other evidence that hasn't been verified by reputable sources. If you can scientifically verify these things without relying on anecdotal or 3rd party testimony of people whose characters you have zero knowledge of, that's how I buy in. 

Also, I don't dismiss the possibilty, but without sufficient evidence, I don't lean towards paranormal phenomena. I'm betting that if you were to do an honest assessment of the evidence you'd find your entire position is propped up by unfalsifiable, anecdotal claims. Given what I know about humans and the games they play, I don't put much weight on such evidence. 

People say "look into it before you judge it", and every time I do, its the same thing. Simple explanations that explain it that get swept under the rug by motivated reasoning. 

I'm not the one making the mistake here. Crop circles are man-made. 

Bro, you will find every excuse in the book to avoid looking at evidence to the contrary.

Let me guess, you don't believe in the existence of alien beings either ?

[Joshe]

9 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Bro, you will find every excuse in the book to avoid looking at evidence to the contrary.

Let me guess, you don't believe in the existence of alien beings either ?

No, I think aliens almost certainly exist.

My skepticism isn't avoidance - it's just unmotivated reasoning. I don't have a horse in the race. As far as I can tell, most of these stories can be explained by human games. So long as they can, I will lean towards that over paranormal phenomena, because it's the smart thing to do, as opposed to believing what some people on the internet profess to be true. The simpler, human explanations take precedence until ruled out. There's a huge market for this stuff and a lot of people trying to capitalize on it. And it it can seem believable because many believe their own bullshit.

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Joshe said:

No, I think aliens almost certainly exist.

My skepticism isn't avoidance - it's just unmotivated reasoning. I don't have a horse in the race. As far as I can tell, most of these stories can be explained by human games. So long as they can, I will lean towards that over paranormal phenomena, because it's the smart thing to do, as opposed to believing what some people on the internet profess to be true. The simpler, human explanations take precedence until ruled out. There's a huge market for this stuff and a lot of people trying to capitalize on it. And it it can seem believable because many believe their own bullshit.

So if you believe in aliens, what's so extraordinary about crop circles being made by them ?

[Wilhelm44]

@Joshe  If you believe in aliens, why is the crop circle thing somehow a stretch too far ?

[Joshe]

20 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Joshe  If you believe in aliens, why is the crop circle thing somehow a stretch too far ?

It’s reasonable to believe life exists elsewhere in our seemingly infinite 14 billion year old universe. It’s not reasonable to assume those beings traveled light-years to flatten barley. 😂 

Have you really considered what it would take for aliens to make it here and what the implications of that would be? They'd need to travel light years and/or through wormholes. If you're that sophisticated (mastered energy, space, time), I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they have better things to do than make crop art on our little planet. I could write pages of logic showing the absurdity. 

What's more likely? That some humans made the crop art or aliens? 

You'll find it's easy to build the case for the natural explanation and you'll find it's easy for the the paranormal explanation to collapse, because as far as I can tell, the entire case would rest on anecdotes and highly questionable sources. If that's what you use to arrive at "likely", well, that's not great. 

[Joshe]

To build the alien case, you'd have to contend with these and more: 

 

[Wilhelm44]

@Joshe  I don't think aliens came here just to make crop circles lol. But who says they are above having a bit of fun. I don't think any of these so called serious investigations have been able to replicate some of the more intricate crop circles. Using cardboard to flatten the crops lol.  

 

[Leo Gura]

So fake

[Wilhelm44]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So fake

How so ?

[Leo Gura]

You can find videos of humans making them.