My conversation with Martin Ball

[The Fetus Blesser]

We just did a podcast with Martin Ball centered around 5-Meo but we dive into a lot of interesting nuances including Terence McKenna's approach, God losing itself in illusion willingly, what would happen if you gave Trump 5-Meo and more...

I always wanted to hear Leo and Martin go deeper together since their last conversation, I'm extremely curious about where they may differ in their perspectives.

Anyway, just wanted to share this one with y'all. Highly interesting conversation and I hope you enjoy!

[The Fetus Blesser]

It would be an absolute dream to have Leo and Martin on together to explore the potential daylight between their perspectives, but I know Leo is very picky about pods. Just daydreamin over here.

[cetus]

We've been saying this for years. Maybe this time? We can only hope.

[The Fetus Blesser]

I think we may have to wait until Martin becomes fully bald so their powers will be matching, reflecting the cosmos in each other's heads.

Edited Monday at 03:52 PM by The Fetus Blesser

[cetus]

30 minutes ago, The Fetus Blesser said:

I think we may have to wait until Martin becomes fully bald so their powers will be matching, reflecting the cosmos in each other's heads.

We may have to intervein for the sake of mankind. You hold Martin down and I'll get the shaver.

[The Fetus Blesser]

14 minutes ago, cetus said:

We may have to intervein for the sake of mankind. You hold Martin down and I'll get the shaver.

Sounds like a plan!

Martin and I have known each other for years now and he said he may visit Iceland in January and give me a visit in the way. I could capture him and we can make this happen for the good of all living beings.

[cetus]

Here's the plan. Code name: Operation "Bald Eagle". If Martin stays with you empty a shampoo bottle and fill it with Nair hair remover. That will do the trick.

[The Fetus Blesser]

1 minute ago, cetus said:

Here's the plan. Code name: Operation "Bald Eagle". If Martin stays with you empty a shampoo bottle and fill it with Nair hair remover. That will do the trick.

On it boss.

[Eskilon]

@The Fetus Blesser Did you make this banger???!

 

[theoneandnone]

Martin ball is a non dual loser that needs to add accept solipsism and quit being a pussy damnit

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

Martin ball is a non dual loser that needs to add accept solipsism and quit being a pussy damnit

Is this a projection? Huehuehue 🙃🙃🫠💀

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, The Fetus Blesser said:

I think we may have to wait until Martin becomes fully bald so their powers will be matching, reflecting the cosmos in each other's heads.

Indra's Net of shiny bald heads 🤪

Thank you for the share!

[The Fetus Blesser]

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

@The Fetus Blesser Did you make this banger???!

 

YES

[Jowblob]

43 minutes ago, The Fetus Blesser said:

YES

I have seen it like a long time ago , i must say you're creative and did an amazing job. 

[The Fetus Blesser]

1 hour ago, Jowblob said:

I have seen it like a long time ago , i must say you're creative and did an amazing job. 

Thank you! A lot of acid went into this... 

Sometimes I wonder if Leo has seen it 

I also did one with Martin where he directly added some spoken words and throat singy sounds that come from his work with 5-Meo (The theme came from an acid trip I had where I had consumed liquorice tea earlier in the day)
 

 

Edited Monday at 08:54 PM by The Fetus Blesser

[The Fetus Blesser]

On 13/10/2025 at 6:18 PM, theoneandnone said:

Martin ball is a non dual loser that needs to add accept solipsism and quit being a pussy damnit

That's precisely some of the stuff I would love to hear Leo and Martin hash out and clear up for some of us since they appear to have a different view. Or perhaps it's mainly a difference in semantics?

[theoneandnone]

2 hours ago, The Fetus Blesser said:

That's precisely some of the stuff I would love to hear Leo and Martin hash out and clear up for some of us since they appear to have a different view. Or perhaps it's mainly a difference in semantics?

I’d love for them both to chat for sure 

[Scholar]

Martin Ball is philosophically illiterate and is profoundly overconfident in how he talks about metaphysics and "energy", he is so far off that he isn't even tracking the issues at hand.

 

He is so illiterate that he is at the "Metaphysics isn't real" stage while being some sort of confused form of Physicalist not realizing that participating in physics already requires a set of metaphysical stances. He is oblivious to how his own conceptual framework is constructed.

The guy conflates metaphysics with the term "supernatural".

Edited 16 hours ago by Scholar

[The Fetus Blesser]

1 hour ago, Scholar said:

Martin Ball is philosophically illiterate and is profoundly overconfident in how he talks about metaphysics and "energy", he is so far off that he isn't even tracking the issues at hand.

 

He is so illiterate that he is at the "Metaphysics isn't real" stage while being some sort of confused form of Physicalist not realizing that participating in physics already requires a set of metaphysical stances. He is oblivious to how his own conceptual framework is constructed.

The guy conflates metaphysics with the term "supernatural".

Yes I tried to push back on exactly those issues and intend to have him back on to push him further, although I do think some of the confusion lies in semantics as he really tries to separate his work from spiritual people engaging in astrology and tarot cards.

[Scholar]

16 minutes ago, The Fetus Blesser said:

Yes I tried to push back on exactly those issues and intend to have him back on to push him further, although I do think some of the confusion lies in semantics as he really tries to separate his work from spiritual people engaging in astrology and tarot cards.

Yes, I don't think it will be necessarily interesting to go in that direction because Martin seems to be just uninterested in those sorts of things. If he has mastery, it is probably in other, more practical areas around employing psychedelics etc.

I think it's hard to challenge someone like Martin Ball, or even Leo, in an interview, because of how confident they are in their positions, and because of the role they perceive themselves to have within those conversations. It's a teacher-student dynamic, and for there to be a challenging in depth discussion would require a shift to a peer-to-peer dynamic.

 

I think the Pre/Trans fallacy might apply to Martin to some degree, where Martin might be stuck in some of the rationalistic modes. It definitely appears this way when he uses physics talk to ground his understand of energy and then sort of misses the foundations of what those concepts entail.