Israel's Polarity is deeper than ever

[Karmadhi]

Thank you so much Nivsch for posting this

I am quite interested to reading about the different parties and your spiral interpretation is quite useful since you cannot find such a thing in other places

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Thank you so much Nivsch for posting this

I am quite interested to reading about the different parties and your spiral interpretation is quite useful since you cannot find such a thing in other places

Don’t let him mislead you. There is no coherent opposition in Israel. Netanyahu’s party still gets the most votes and the only relevant competitor is Bennett who is identical to him.

They oppose Netanyahu for domestic reasons, none care at all about what Palestinians go through and publicly denounced recognition of a Palestinian state by Europe.

Younger people in Israel are also much more to the right and more likely to support Netanyahu than older people in Israel, liberal Zionism is dying and being replaced by messianic Zionism.

Edited October 13 by Raze

[Nivsch]

@Raze 

This isn't true Raze.

I have been following those parties closely for more than 10 years on a daily basis.

This isn't just verbal games. Those parties represent sectors whose values are fundmentally different from one another.

I know I can't convince you or anyone else to think as I think, and you really don't have to. You will always think what you think and this is perfectly fine. The only thing I can control is what I choose to share.

I want to suggest you to do your own research but consider to include direct Israeli sources and not only things you hear about Israel from filters.

Read tweets and posts written by Israelis themselves. After that, really, think whatever you want.

You are welcome to read everything I will add to here and to ask for sources you want me to add too.

Edited October 13 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Thank you so much Nivsch for posting this

I am quite interested to reading about the different parties and your spiral interpretation is quite useful since you cannot find such a thing in other places

🥰 In your time! Feel free to ask and to make claims, reservations to posts if you have and whatever you want.

Edited October 13 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

Ultra Orthodox party: United Torah Judaism

7 mandates out of 120 = 6% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Torah_Judaism

Spiral Dynamics: 🔵

Edited October 13 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

A post from 2024, written during one of the weekly demonstrations that gathered tens of thousands of citizens every Saturday evening, calling for a hostage deal which eventually took place last week and brought the war to an end.

" Everyone’s talking about division and hate — so here are a few words about solidarity, or how I can’t stop being moved by this nation:

I was among those injured in the car-ramming attack at the protest on Saturday night.
I was very lucky — I came out with bruises but no fractures. Near me on the road lay two women; one of them was bleeding from her head, moderately injured, and is still hospitalized.

From the moment this madness happened, I was surrounded by a large group of strangers and volunteers.
They insisted on accompanying me to the hospital (Tamar and Yotam, two wonderful people whose last names I don’t even know, stayed with me there until the late hours). In the photo — Dafna Greener, from the volunteer network.

It turns out there’s a volunteer system of social workers, psychologists, and doctors who accompany every injured person at a protest. Dafna didn’t leave my side for a moment — she made sure I drank and ate, talked with me about what had happened with a smile, and above all, was there for me.

She left her family and refused my pleas to go back home: “I’m here with you,” she said. When I took a taxi at two in the morning, we said goodbye.

So yes — from this sad evening, I come out stronger.
With people like this, we’ll recover and overcome.
Hope is 2000 years old — a few more months are nothing for her. 🇮🇱❤️
#Hope "

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EuEU5LAgZ/

Edited October 16 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

Israeli journalist ('Haaretz') Josh Breiner

https://x.com/JoshBreiner?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Cha8mHSwS/

Edited October 16 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

Aryeh Deri's Ultra orthodox party: Shas

11 mandates out of 120 = 9% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shas

Spiral Dynamics: 🔵

1. Shas, unlike UTJ, acts more pragmatically and is often willing to bridge and cooperate with other parties. However its pragmatism is still utalitarian and not value-based, so it does not represent the true orange stage in the spiral.

2. Shas is more liberal and more heart-centered towards the weak sectors in society, therefore I would give it a bit of green in the margins 15%.

3. In contrast, United Torah Judaism is one of the clearest examples of an absolutistic worldview, which is linked in the seperate note dedicated to that party.

Edited October 18 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

An in-depth interview with Eden Golan, for those who seek to truly know her and go beyond the stigmas and political baggage 🌱🎑

 

Edited October 18 by Nivsch

[Lyubov]

Don’t worry, you guys will unite around ethnic cleansing and stealing more Palestinian land and killing more Palestinian citizens on the land you stole from them. Nothing unites a group of people like a genocide. 

Edited October 18 by Lyubov

[Nivsch]

@Lyubov I understand your pain. Without a nuanced view there cannot be justice to anyone.

Edited October 18 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

I have started to feel that because there is so much anger toward Israel these days, maybe I opened this thread too early. After thinking about it more, I decided to keep it, but to make a stronger effort to present voices from both the Right and the Left as equally as possible to really show all facets and present the picture as close to reality as possible. If any post here triggers you, please feel free to bring it up. I will gladly reconsider if necessary, but I truly believe it is possible to reflect the fundamental inner conflict in my country with a fair amount of objectivity and empathy.

Edited October 18 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

Next chapter - the pendulum will move to the Right 🏰⛲️

Edited Monday at 10:22 AM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

I add Right wing tweets not to show agreement with them but to display through them the multi-dimensional character of Israeli society. All from Oct 20-21.

https://x.com/mennyassyag/status/1980562856492880171

Edited Tuesday at 11:10 AM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

https://x.com/Idaneretz/status/1981430227587781000

Edited Thursday at 07:13 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

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Edited Thursday at 07:20 PM by Raze

[Nivsch]

@Raze The vote was about the city of Ma'ale Adumim (Red Ascent) which is part of the settlement blocs - a broadly consensual area near Jerusalem that basically forms a continuous urban zone and only slightly crosses the Green Line or the 67 line.

I think Netanyahu tries to provoke the Americans on one of his attempts to collapse the deal but I'm not sure yet if that is the reason for this vote. I am cheking this.

Edited Thursday at 08:03 PM by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

16 hours ago, Nivsch said:

The vote was about the city of Ma'ale Adumim (Red Ascent) which is part of the settlement blocs - a broadly consensual area near Jerusalem that basically forms a continuous urban zone and only slightly crosses the Green Line or the 67 line.

I think Netanyahu tries to provoke the Americans on one of his attempts to collapse the deal but I'm not sure yet if that is the reason for this vote. I am cheking this.

Then why Trump and Vance got pissed about it?

Also how come the left wing Israelis support annexation which is basically illegal?

I thought they were moderate two state solution people

So even if Bibi leaves the overall policy wont change much

[Nivsch]

@Karmadhi The urban area that connected to Jerusalem is an Israeli consensus as it is already a dense and highly populated area and there is no rationality in now destroying it in a case of an agreement.

[Nivsch]

12 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

I thought they were moderate two state solution people

Yair Golan, leader of the Democrats party, yesterday (:

(The second part of the tweet: Smotrich said in the past that hamas is an asset and PLO is a burden. Yair quotes him here and criticise him)

Edited 14 hours ago by Nivsch