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Israel's Polarity is deeper than ever

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Israel is a very unusual case. The only common denominator connecting 80% of its citizens is simply being Jewish, but this ethnic character is precisely what makes the country diverse, as those Jews come from vastly different cultural backgrounds.

But during the last couple of years this divergence has been getting sharper. The turning point was in January 2023 when Netanyahu's new government started to pass laws that could reform the court in a way that deeply threatens liberal democracy.

Today the continuation of the war has pushed this split to the breaking point, while the new and blessed agreement can only improve it to some extent and temporarily.

I will add here posts, videos and tweets showing the diversity in opinions and stances in Israel, and broader, sort of cold civil war happening here.

Right-wing sectors are anyway over (and almost solely) emphasized in the international media so I will show them a little less here and will focus on many other voices.

All posts are new and from these days, often from the same day or week they are posted (unless I will mention something else). Also all the posts are by Israelis 🇮🇱 only and always translated from Hebrew.

The thread is time-limited 📆 and seasonal. I mean, literally seasonal🌧, until early or mid-winter (January maybe) then I will take a break for a month or two from personal threads, and then perhaps will open something similar with a bit different vibe and temperament to keep it fresh, or even a different Israeli related topic that will fit the theme of the time.

I will try (apart from today) to add no more than one update every 1-2 days so as not to dominate the forum landscape too strongly and to really make it a choice to read for whoever truly wants to. 

You are welcome to ask anything you want
and to debate.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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A sample of the public's diversity of opinions (again, emphsizing on those unseen in the international media) regarding the continuation of the war from recent months from posts I added to the news thread. 

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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Israelis stance on Palestinian state is quite complex even after Oct7

 


🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

 

Exchanging the hostages for 2,000 Hamas terrorists saves the lives of those hostages, but at the price of how many deaths in the future?

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@Nivsch Remember when you were posting images of going to the beach in Israel as their army were dropping 1,000 tons of explosive on kids and women?

 

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Ben Gvir Party: Jewish Strength (translated)

The most extreme party have ever been in Israel.

Have 4 mandates out of 120 = 3.3% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otzma_Yehudit

Spiral Dynamics: 🔴🔵

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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Smotrich Party: The Religious Zionism

Have 7 mandates out of 120 = 6% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Zionist_Party

Spiral Dynamics: 🔴🔵🔵 Intuitively I feel Blue is much more dominant here, but not only. Some Red most likely exists - in the extreme margins.

Religious Zionism sector has also healthy aspects of contribution, helping others, love of the land, partnerships.

No more stage Red from now on in Israeli parties (luckily 😶‍🌫️) the hardest part is behind us.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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@Breakingthewall You are right this is dangerous, as long as the government refuses to establish a permanent border (in a form of secured perimeter).

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Netanyahu's party: Likud

32 mandates out of 120 = 27% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud

Spiral Dynamics: 🔵🟠

Note: Netanyahu over the years made the party less liberal as he added more and more members who are convenient to him politically. Therefore this party in the past had a little bit of stage green too, as secondary and relatively minor.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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Lapid's party: There Is a Future

23 mandates out of 120 = 19% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesh_Atid

Spiral Dynamics: 🟠🟢

1. I assume it based on a quite healthy Blue I don't think this is the main emphasize of this party so no need to mention it.

2. At least half of Israelis interpret "Zionism" as simply Jews aspiration to have their own land. I suggest to not get too seriously into this word. It is a tricky word with many problems to it in my opinion. This word is being distorted and interpreted completely differently depending on the specific camp's pre-existing views, inside the country and abroad.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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Yair Golan's party: The Democrats

4 mandates out of 120 = 3.3% of the population.

An important note: 4 more mandate of its retroactively merged party Meretz were burned in the last elections due to getting under the treshold of 3.25%, therefore its real power is 6.6% of the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Democrats_(Israel)

Spiral Dynamics: 🟠🟢🟢

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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I want to explain why I booed Netanyahu tonight at Hostages Square.

💡 I only upload posts that have received broad support - thousands of likes - like this one (and of course because of their quality).

It’s simple — I see there’s a mobilization order and a unified talking point sheet for the whole choir: Likud ministers and MKs, Benny Gantz, mouthpieces like Amit Segal, and confused journalists — so I want to explain why I booed Netanyahu.

I booed Netanyahu because I despise him. With utter contempt. From the depths of my heart and soul. Because for two years we’ve been fighting for the return of the hostages — in demonstrations, rallies, marches, and events — and he’s done everything to sabotage, blur, stall, lie, and deceive.

He hasn’t visited Hostages Square even once, despite it being adjacent to the courtroom where he spends his trial days.

He divided, incited, and turned hostage families and the Hostages Forum against each other.

He created a fake and unrepresentative forum called “Tikva” (“Hope”) that fought against the return of the hostages — a group he met dozens of times — while refusing to meet families who hadn’t passed political screening.

He made the return of the hostages a political issue, and turned the families and protesters into enemies of the nation.

He violated the previous deal and ceasefire a day before more hostages could have returned.

He appointed Dermer to head the negotiation team specifically to ensure that no hostage would return — because that would bring down his government.

He launched a reoccupation of Gaza knowing full well that he was abandoning hostages and sacrificing soldiers in vain.

He ordered an attack in Qatar on senior Hamas officials who had gathered to approve a hostage deal — just to sabotage it too.

And he did all of this while wearing a hostage pin on his lapel. The only reason a deal was eventually signed and the war stopped is because the Americans and Qataris realized who they were dealing with — and forced him to give in.

And beyond that, he destroyed the country, built up, funded, and maintained Hamas — and brought upon us the greatest disaster in our history.
Thirty years ago, he also led the incitement campaign against the brave Prime Minister who pursued peace, Yitzhak Rabin — marching in front of a coffin and a noose in Ra’anana Junction, and fanning the flames of hatred from the balcony in Zion Square. He hasn’t stopped inciting, dividing, and poisoning since. Which is a bit more serious than booing, with all due respect to tonight’s outrage dictated from the cuckoo’s nest.

That’s why.

And one more thing: the contempt will follow him everywhere. Until his last day. And I’ll end with a quote by Eli Elbag about Netanyahu: “The only thing that will bear your name will be cemeteries.”

(In the photo: Vitkof, Kushner, and Ivanka Trump arriving at a place Netanyahu and his courtiers have never set foot in — and being received with royal honors, as they should.) "

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16geMMMoLz/

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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https://x.com/costa1black/status/1790450603589595190

(From May 2024)

Edit: I don't agree with History as "fictional" he went too far there but with everything else I do.

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🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation.

 

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