Mórmon Church Shooting.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Church is a dangerous place to stay now a days, not just for your mind but even for your body. Of course I being ironic, there is no body

 

 

[Elliott]

$100, Conservatives come out with more war and retaliation rhetoric that feeds more of this.

Stupid

[Husseinisdoingfine]

This happened at a Mormon Church, and the guy who shot Charlie Kirk came from a Mormon family.

Suspicious.

[Elliott]

[Apparition of Jack]

7 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Without wanting to defend this man too much, I’ve also read that he had a special needs child whose care was taking a financial toll on the family.

I don’t want to say that was the only reason he snapped, but it absolutely contributed. This is why foreign countries look at the American healthcare system with disgust. Enough goes wrong with it and eventually your regular citizen snaps and shoots a bunch of people. Human health isn’t a commodity to be sold.

[Elliott]

27 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Without wanting to defend this man too much, I’ve also read that he had a special needs child whose care was taking a financial toll on the family.

I don’t want to say that was the only reason he snapped, but it absolutely contributed. This is why foreign countries look at the American healthcare system with disgust. Enough goes wrong with it and eventually your regular citizen snaps and shoots a bunch of people. Human health isn’t a commodity to be sold.

Interesting angle. Say U.S. took care of each other, say we allowed liberty and rights, say we stood for those things and our culture was liberal(including gun rights): would guns and violence still be the problem it is?

Edited September 29 by Elliott

[Apparition of Jack]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

Interesting angle. Say U.S. took care of each other, say we allowed liberty and rights, say we stood for those things and our culture was liberal(including gun rights): would guns and violence still be the problem it is?

In my personal opinion, I don’t think it would be.

Without getting too much into it, it always seemed absurd as an outsider how little Americans cared for each other. Don’t get me wrong, other countries have their problems too, but America seems unique in its ability to treat its own citizens as either obstacles to be overcome to enemies to be disposed of. 
 

Like, we have political divisions here in Australia, but there’s still this underlying sense that if you get sick, if you have an emergency, if you need rescue, etc we’ll look out for you. It doesn’t seem to be that way in the US. Everything feels so much more conditional. I can sorta understand why so many Americans distrust their government, because to them government feels like more of a tool of control / oppression than of genuine public uplift, which it can absolutely be.

[Elliott]

12 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

In my personal opinion, I don’t think it would be.

Without getting too much into it, it always seemed absurd as an outsider how little Americans cared for each other. Don’t get me wrong, other countries have their problems too, but America seems unique in its ability to treat its own citizens as either obstacles to be overcome to enemies to be disposed of. 
 

Like, we have political divisions here in Australia, but there’s still this underlying sense that if you get sick, if you have an emergency, if you need rescue, etc we’ll look out for you. It doesn’t seem to be that way in the US. Everything feels so much more conditional. I can sorta understand why so many Americans distrust their government, because to them government feels like more of a tool of control / oppression than of genuine public uplift, which it can absolutely be.

It's a unique dynamic and history.

I seriously question if the U.S. should be broken up, it's possibly too big. A couple smaller nations could form tighter knit and I see no point except trade and global monopoly for staying as one, which in my opinion is actually a negative in the bigger scheme of things.

[Hatfort]

The church shooter's identity is known, he is from the conservative, right, MAGA side. 

So now what? Not even a whisper of that rhetoric of terrorism they were screaming two weeks ago?

[Apparition of Jack]

9 hours ago, Elliott said:

It's a unique dynamic and history.

I seriously question if the U.S. should be broken up, it's possibly too big. A couple smaller nations could form tighter knit and I see no point except trade and global monopoly for staying as one, which in my opinion is actually a negative in the bigger scheme of things.

This might not be a popular opinion for Americans but I take the opposite approach - I think the US should expand federal power, possibly even break up the states, and ensure a minimum standard of living / safety / regulations etc that can’t be compromised by whatever regional legislature decides they’re “politically incorrect” or whatever. 
 

I feel like if every region in America had access to decent health, infrastructure, education etc a lot of the animosity between regions would disappear. No more red states making fun of blue states for being full of junkies on the streets, or blue states making fun of red states for being full of illiterate hicks. 
 

Again, I say this as an outsider, but are the people of say, Arkansas, best served by having a few geriatric arch-conservatives govern them who’s only concern is making sure 14 year old r*pe victims give birth? And not dealing with the crumbling infrastructure, education crisis, etc? 
 

I understand how important regional identity is to Americans, it even seems like a way of life, but America’s problems are just too big and need too much coordination for a bunch of perennially-competing legislatures to adequately address, imo. At the very least, moving towards some sort of “megaregions” in the US would far better reflect the actual demographic and political realities of the country today, rather than a bunch of arbitrary borders drawn up by rich settlers in the 1800s.

 

[Princess Arabia]

12 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Without wanting to defend this man too much, I’ve also read that he had a special needs child whose care was taking a financial toll on the family.

I don’t want to say that was the only reason he snapped, but it absolutely contributed.

Like, seriously! More reason why he should have had more compassion and regards for human life seeing how it can need special care and not go take the lives of others where now others will really need special care and his actions will take a financial toll on the families involved. 

[Elliott]

4 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

This might not be a popular opinion for Americans but I take the opposite approach - I think the US should expand federal power, possibly even break up the states, and ensure a minimum standard of living / safety / regulations etc that can’t be compromised by whatever regional legislature decides they’re “politically incorrect” or whatever. 
 

I feel like if every region in America had access to decent health, infrastructure, education etc a lot of the animosity between regions would disappear. No more red states making fun of blue states for being full of junkies on the streets, or blue states making fun of red states for being full of illiterate hicks. 
 

Again, I say this as an outsider, but are the people of say, Arkansas, best served by having a few geriatric arch-conservatives govern them who’s only concern is making sure 14 year old r*pe victims give birth? And not dealing with the crumbling infrastructure, education crisis, etc? 
 

I understand how important regional identity is to Americans, it even seems like a way of life, but America’s problems are just too big and need too much coordination for a bunch of perennially-competing legislatures to adequately address, imo. At the very least, moving towards some sort of “megaregions” in the US would far better reflect the actual demographic and political realities of the country today, rather than a bunch of arbitrary borders drawn up by rich settlers in the 1800s.

 

Most people are not affected by healthcare or income problems. But, I feel like if liberal regions could run wild that the success would be so evident that the backwards region would follow suit. That alone isn't reason enough to me to split it up though, I think geo-politically if the u.s. split up it could bring more global harmony. Pair a smaller national identity, with less international hostility, and 3 different cultural experiments.