There is no pride in being poor

[Elliott]

46 minutes ago, Basman said:

Technology doesn't automatically make you live more morally but it does increase your freedom to do so.

Is it more moral to not harm others, just because food is more available, to wealthy people? Poor people still kill because there are starkly dark and massive sides to this modern era. The wealthy are actually mass murdering people as we speak, by the way, the well fed and comforted, are exterminating the "dogs" as you might call them.

 

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Most hunter-gatherer tribes are restrained by base survival and group conformity. In that sense they have less capacity for moral development.

This is the part I desire an example of, tribes are less moral? You saw the videos I posted, they didn't kill the foreigners, they enjoyed them.

 

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But when modern humans invent technology it doesn't count?

Where is the improvement from this?

The Maxims of Ptahhotep

Ptahhotep, a vizier under King Djedkare Isesi of the Fifth Dynasty (around 2375–2350 BC). 

"Humility and Self-Control: Emphasizing the importance of not being proud and controlling one's temper.

Truth and Discourse: Advising on how to speak truthfully and engage in respectful conversation, even with those of lower status.

Social Conduct: Providing guidance on behavior in the presence of superiors, how to choose a good master, and how to serve them.

Kindness and Compassion: Promoting kindness towards others and avoiding envy or the spread of fear.

Leadership: Offering insights into how to lead with openness and kindness.

Edited Saturday at 05:33 PM by Elliott

[Basman]

@Elliott

I've made a substantive point of how technology expands the capacity for morality, but I'm yet to receive a serious respond. Your only responding with these empty platitudes and moving the goal post. You are not arguing in good faith.

I'm not going to waste any more of my time on your nonsense.

[Thought Art]

@Basman He doesn't argue in good faith I think. It's about him being right. 

[Elliott]

5 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@Basman He doesn't argue in good faith I think. It's about him being right. 

Where was I dishonest or disingenuous, or whatever?

You guys are just stuck in consumerist zombie fear.

 

 

The technology must've not got to me yet to expand my morality...... should I buy the new iPhone or something? Is there a podcast you suggest?

Edited Sunday at 12:37 AM by Elliott

[Elliott]

Do you believe most people on this forum, or even the western world, can achieve enlightenment in this era, with the current technology? Or, do we need better technology for some reason?

 

If we don't need better technology, are you sure tribal people couldn't achieve it without our technology?

I think you guys just lack a basic understanding of primitive lifestyle, you have a bastardized image of "savages" as you called them, this is just propaganda to support colonialism and imperialism.

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 07:34 PM by Elliott

[Basman]

3 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@Basman He doesn't argue in good faith I think. It's about him being right. 

If he was right he wouldn't need to argue in bad faith. 

[Elliott]

17 hours ago, Basman said:

If he was right he wouldn't need to argue in bad faith. 

Point out how I was in bad faith. I don't believe you ever answered my question intelligibly, your answer is 'depth of morality because life is easier and less dangerous' that answers " how is the human experience truly better in terms of meaning, purpose, and connection"? I followed up with "how are we more moral"? Your reply "rape was allowed, (with zero substantiation, and zero connection to tech, and absolute ignoring our rape culture. And it's untrue). You're arguing in bad faith".

Some people look at people that do dangerous and hard things as examples of lives with meaning and purpose. So how does safety  and ease mean more meaning and purpose?

 

https://ictnews.org/archive/the-power-of-cherokee-women/

"Europeans were astonished to see that Cherokee women were the equals of men—politically, economically and theologically. “Women had autonomy and sexual freedom, could obtain divorce easily, rarely experienced rape or domestic violence, worked as producers/farmers, owned their own homes and fields, possessed a cosmology that contains female supernatural figures, and had significant political and economic power,” "

 

 

 

https://vawnet.org/sites/default/files/assets/files/2016-10/NotIndianTradition.pdf

 

Edited Sunday at 04:19 PM by Elliott

[TruthFreedom]

Being attached to wealth and money causes anxiety. "Needing" stuff like nice cars, holidays, plush homes, entertainment, etc leads to disappointment, because they are just enjoyable experiences that will end. Then you are left depressed when you don't have them. And there will always be an underlying anxiety which niggles at the back of your consciousness which says: "I may lose these things at any time. Then what?"

Cultivating contentment through simplicity and simple pleasures is the way to go.

[Yimpa]

There is no pride in being rich. I’ve got a few rich family members, and honestly, they’re scummy. Underneath all that pride is an abundance of insecurity. 

Edited Sunday at 04:49 PM by Yimpa