Might decides. Force is paramount to decision-making and thus consciousness.

[BlueOak]

One greater truth I have had to come to terms with is: Might decides. Force is paramount to decision-making and thus consciousness. While I always accepted this, I never integrated it fully and made it a part of who I was.

This is universally true across the planet, and no matter if we want to say we'd not like this, or its more evolved/enlightened/integrated to be otherwise, it's simply the case. That force doesn't have to be physical, although it is most easily demonstrated to be. I feel spiritual communities, by their nature, resist this, and this is in part why the feminine aspect of consciousness has been the dominant one in society for so long. 

With many corrections, we overcorrect, something I loathe about consciousness or humanity in general, that rather than take measured steps, we are forced into large overcorrections, with large fallouts, and then we walk that back to a balance.

[Hojo]

The duality is the fear of being forced upon.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Force has never worked for me in attempting success.

Leverage and wisdom - yes.

Ultimately, I have no control.

 

[UnbornTao]

What do you mean more specifically? Are you talking about making decisions?

If so, you can actually make a decision right now, and it would be a done deal. You've made the decision.

Edited yesterday at 08:41 AM by UnbornTao

[BlueOak]

5 hours ago, Hojo said:

The duality is the fear of being forced upon.

Of course, and that in turn creates an opposing force, which in turn creates the duality. A better question is: How do you collapse that duality?
 

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Force has never worked for me in attempting success.

Leverage and wisdom - yes.

Ultimately, I have no control.

 

Respectfully, and I realise how hard this is to say in the current climate, but femininity isn't forceful by design. It's precisely the opposite. This is the thread in spiritual circles or conscious communities that I am highlighting. Obviously I need to ground these thoughts more, but I understand a missing dynamic now.
 

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

What do you mean more specifically? Are you talking about making decisions?

If so, you can actually make a decision right now, and it would be a done deal. You've made the decision.

Universally. In everything. There is nothing that physically exists without some kind of force maintaining or creating it, and holding the structure to allow it.

A decision is nothing without some kind of force backing it and structuring its existence. Let's say that force is economic, or social, or physical etc. 
 

[UnbornTao]

59 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Universally. In everything. There is nothing that physically exists without some kind of force maintaining or creating it, and holding the structure to allow it.

A decision is nothing without some kind of force backing it and structuring its existence. Let's say that force is economic, or social, or physical etc. 

I suggest you clarify what it is you are inquiring into - in a grounded way. 

Are you not talking about interaction and effectiveness? If so, why bring up existential matters? Or maybe I'm mistaken. But you don't need these extraneous explanations or stories; you can just make a decision.

Also, let me take a different approach: How do you see 'force'? In your experience, what does decision-making require? 

[BlueOak]

40 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

I suggest you clarify what it is you are inquiring into - in a grounded way. 

Are you not talking about interaction and effectiveness? If so, why bring up existential matters? Or maybe I'm mistaken. But you don't need these extraneous explanations or stories; you can just make a decision.

Also, let me take a different approach: How do you see 'force'? In your experience, what does decision-making require? 

Decision for me requires:

Information: Raw Material, preferably clarified.
Wisdom/Experience: If possible, offering discernment.
Structure: A context within which a movement can be made. A door cannot be opened or closed without a frame. A job, relationship or spiritual path requires form to be interacted with, entered or exited. This is maintained by a force of some kind.
Force: An Indispensable Element. Energy, Currency, Momentum, Movement. The power to actualize what was chosen. Without that force, a decision is inert, it doesn't manifest. Intention and opportunity is nothing without enactment, be that physical, economic, emotional, social etc

Efficiency, influence, and strategy are best reserved for other forums. At the core I am saying decision is a metaphysical act. It creates form and alters being, which structures conscious experience.

I am directly saying force itself is misunderstood. As many communities are driven by trauma-healing (which is very healthy), but it exiles or softens the masculine principle. The ability to pierce illusion, ground, initiate action and provide structure to choice. What is allowed is usually neutered in language and thus in understanding. 

Edited yesterday at 01:54 PM by BlueOak

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@BlueOak I think defining this better will help.

How do you define force vs energy? 

In addition, I would appreciate you forgetting the fact my avatar and name appears feminine. If I did not have this appearance you would not have responded as such. So, do not 😏 

I know something of force. Experientially. You might say more than most. 

I work in construction. I design doors, hardware, security and structural engineering (to name a small portion). I manage construction of hospitals and science facilities. I suspect I know more of force than you realise.

Edited 23 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[BlueOak]

9 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@BlueOak I think defining this better will help.

How do you define force vs energy? 

In addition, I would appreciate you forgetting the fact my avatar and name appears feminine. If I did not have this appearance you would not have responded as such. So, do not 😏

I've defined force well in the post above yours. Particularly in relation to structure, decision-making and will. Though I am open to expanding the discussion if you'd like to engage more deeply.

On your question, Energy is a field, the raw potential, light and vibration. Force is directional energy, energy given a target or course. Shaped into impact, without force, energy disperses; without energy, force has nothing to do, so they are distinct, and each arises the other.

I will certainly honor your request and respect your profession. Men have varying amounts of the divine feminine in them also, me included, it's not a binary thing or a negative critique to embody degrees of the opposite of what I am describing here. It's just as necessary to the planet to have these energies in balance within all of us. I specifically mentioned it when you said force had never worked for you. But you work in construction, working with literal force, pressure, gravity, resistance etc. You structure force into form. That is the divine masculine principle at work, regardless of gender. The force required to form and maintain a large structure is a perfect example. It's not abstract and easily defined.

[UnbornTao]

On 9/19/2025 at 2:52 PM, BlueOak said:

Decision for me requires:

Information: Raw Material, preferably clarified.
Wisdom/Experience: If possible, offering discernment.
Structure: A context within which a movement can be made. A door cannot be opened or closed without a frame. A job, relationship or spiritual path requires form to be interacted with, entered or exited. This is maintained by a force of some kind.
Force: An Indispensable Element. Energy, Currency, Momentum, Movement. The power to actualize what was chosen. Without that force, a decision is inert, it doesn't manifest. Intention and opportunity is nothing without enactment, be that physical, economic, emotional, social etc

Efficiency, influence, and strategy are best reserved for other forums. At the core I am saying decision is a metaphysical act. It creates form and alters being, which structures conscious experience.

I am directly saying force itself is misunderstood. As many communities are driven by trauma-healing (which is very healthy), but it exiles or softens the masculine principle. The ability to pierce illusion, ground, initiate action and provide structure to choice. What is allowed is usually neutered in language and thus in understanding. 

Make a decision now.

A process, by definition, is something carried out rather than something existential (metaphysical).

Clearly you don't choose to open a door if there's no frame for it - you might instead decide to insert a frame so the door can exist. This is just the example you used; with this, I'm trying to shift the discussion toward experience.