Sovereignty Over Surrender: The War Within the Masculine

[Yeah Yeah]

There’s something deeply twisted in the social expectation that men should surrender themselves in relationships — to yield their sovereignty, to cater, to open themselves up to a stranger and call it love.

I’m not talking about partnership built on mutual power. I’m talking about the modern conditioning that frames male fulfillment as the act of giving up the very core of what makes him independent — his throne, his command post, his edge.

Look closely. The word surrender is often wrapped in romance — “sweet surrender,” from man and who is to receive the special treatments and privileges as "serenade"? Women are on the receiving end of that a man surrender of resources, time, status, and sovereignty to be approved by a woman sexually. Who gets the luxury of receiving the surrendered masculine? It’s not him. It’s often someone who hasn’t earned that place — a stranger who isn’t stronger, wiser, or more spiritually advanced than him.

Why should a man surrender to someone than himself — just because society has baked it into the script of dating and intimacy?

It’s not noble. It’s not divine. It’s survival suicide.

You’re literally training your nervous system to prioritize the survival of another over your own — and that’s not romantic, it’s pathological.

Sovereignty isn’t coldness. It’s clarity. It’s the refusal to give your energy to a system that benefits from your collapse. If you’re not building your kingdom — spiritual, mental, physical — you’re being asked to decorate someone else’s.

For me, the deeper I go into sovereignty, the more allergic I become to emotional contracts disguised as spiritual growth. If a woman expects me to give up my edge to make her feel safe, I’m out.

That doesn’t mean I’m incapable of love. It means I value self-respect over validation, clarity over codependence, and spiritual autonomy over social conformity

Edited September 19 by Yeah Yeah

[theleelajoker]

I don't feel that social expectation you describe 

[LordFall]

Yes if you're not careful relationships lead to domestication or betafication as they call it in red pill. Part of it is healthy, you want to be able trust your partner and relax. Doesn't mean you now are lifted from the burden of performance that men are called to fulfill.

To think otherwise would indeed be foolish. 

[BlessedLion]

I once spoke to a man in my men's group who gave up his craft and passion for handywork (he had a shop) to please his partner, she now degrades and belittles him for not making enough money. 

 

Gotta be careful out there.

 

I am not anti-love, but never ever give up your passions or purpose for a woman becuase she will lose all respect for you if you comply. I also see a lot of my spiritual female friends on facebook post things about how they are this "Goddess prize" and any man lucky enough to be chosen by her, to get to have even a drip of her precious divine feminine energy should fulfill all her needs and desires with a smile on his face....yeah give me a fucking break.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I haven't perceived this as a social expectation. 

This sounds like a pathological feminine expectation - unique to an unhealthy individual and not a societal expectation. And it applies to both men and women.

You are totally fine as a man to be stoic, lead, and to have boundaries. You should feel fine to assert them as such. 'These are my expectations' and mutually agree. Self sovereignty is for all. 

Also reads like AI AI AI - did you generate it through ChatGPT? 

 

Edited September 22 by Natasha Tori Maru

[ExploringReality]

It does seem to be chat, but that's okay because I'm trying to understand the Dynamics of what you described.

I've noticed some women that are very reactive, emotionally shaky and very projective of their insecurities, fears and expectations onto their partners. They have a script of how a relationship is supposed to be and they mirror their expectations from the influence of modern dating portrayed in reality TV shows and romantic movies, by which if you don't follow the script of their expectations or you don't respond in a certain way, they will twist it on you and make your perceived wrongness the highlight of any interaction. They constantly need your validation and reassurance because they can't handle their own emotional states, so they need someone that can emotionally babysit them, or coddle them so they feel you love them. Because if you don't, oh boy! Hahah get ready for micromanaging, manipulation and tension in the relationship. 

Sorry for my digression 😆 

Don't give up your sovereignty of mind, peace of mind, goals, passion and purpose for a woman. Not out of disrespect of her, but because you love yourself and respect yourself way to much to allow anyone, not just some women to neuter you man 

Edited September 22 by ExploringReality

[ExploringReality]

A solid marriage for me is to grab a tea with someone, sit on the super moon watching that new actualized.org episode and dipping our toes into the sky laughing at nothing 

[AION]

Hm I know a lot of guys who don’t dethrone themselves and still get those benefits. It seems to me you are putting artificial expectations on yourself. It is an old paradigm. Dating changed a lot in the last 10 years. Back in the day you would dethrone yourself but still get a virgin girl who is loyal and not tainted mentally and physically. You are right it is not worth the costs and risks anymore. You just got to be more self seeking. 

Edited September 22 by AION

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@AION

Sex =/= damage

Virginity is a social construct, not a moral value. 

'get a virgin girl' - implying this has some sort of high value you should just delete yourself & your integrity for.... 

 

[AION]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@AION

Sex =/= damage

Virginity is a social construct, not a moral value. 

'get a virgin girl' - implying this has some sort of high value you should just delete yourself & your integrity for.... 

 

It is not a social construct.