What is Happiness?

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Well there is happiness to be found through different approaches.

No, relief is felt from the tension that is stored in the body,

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Is there envy to be found through different approaches. Is there shame to be found through different approaches. Is there sadness to be found through different approaches. Answer that.

Those tend to be emotions people want to avoid, so they don’t seek it out. But technically you could if you seek out situations that trigger it for you, if you know your triggers (we could say it’s still internally generated tho, but we respond to enviroment). It’s a response to a certain triggering situation, like happiness is a response to a different situation. Although its possible to feel happiness for “no reason at all” just existing

Edited 10 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

No, relief is felt from the tension that is stored in the body,

That relief can be felt as happiness! I’ve felt that

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Those tend to be emotions people want to avoid, so they don’t seek it out. But it’s a response to a certain triggering situation, like happiness is a response to a different situation. Although it might be possible to feel happiness for “no reason at all” just existing

Ok, so shame finds you anyway even though it's avoided. Envy and hate and sadness finds you anyway even though we tend to avoid those. We seek out happiness but somehow that one tends to want to not cone around as much. The only one we seek out avoids us like the plague but the others seem to constantly  find us. 

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

That relief can be felt as happiness! I’ve felt that

Doesn't matter, I'm just saying that's all happiness is if it's fleeting. 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok, so shame finds you anyway even though it's avoided. Envy and hate and sadness finds you anyway even though we tend to avoid those. We seek out happiness but somehow that one tends to want to not cone around as much. The only one we seek out avoids us like the plague but the others seem to constantly  find us. 

We find it sometimes, sometimes not, sometimes they come, sometimes  not.. it’s both 

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

That relief can be felt as happiness! I’ve felt that

The only reason why you feel depressed at times and suffer is because of the absence of that feeling of relief. When it's present, depression and suffering is gone.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Doesn't matter, I'm just saying that's all happiness is if it's fleeting. 

Even if it’s fleeting it can be worth to pursue 

[Sugarcoat]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The only reason why you feel depressed at times and suffer is because of the absence of that feeling of relief. When it's present, depression and suffering is gone.

I see those as distinct. Absence of happiness is neutrality not suffering 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

Even if it’s fleeting it can be worth to pursue 

Cannot pursue happiness and succeed. Happiness is not conditioned to human's pursuit. It is it's own thing and arises on it's own. It isn't worth pursuing because it's the very act of pursuing it that keeps it away. How can something be there and one still pursues it. It's because it's absent, right. So pursuing implies it not being there. How is that worth it. 

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I see those as distinct. Absence of happiness is neutrality not suffering 

Doesn't matter, it's always the absence of a thing that makes something else present. 

[Human Mint]

Happiness comes from infinity. When you see infinity in any domain of life you will understand happiness.

[cetus]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It isn't worth pursuing because it's the very act of pursuing it that keeps it away.

Yes, the very act of pursuing is implying lack or absence which is the wrong approach.

[Princess Arabia]

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[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Cannot pursue happiness and succeed. Happiness is not conditioned to human's pursuit. It is it's own thing and arises on it's own. It isn't worth pursuing because it's the very act of pursuing it that keeps it away. How can something be there and one still pursues it. It's because it's absent, right. So pursuing implies it not being there. How is that worth it. 

But for humans happiness tends to arise as response to circumstances in many cases , so you can pursue those circumstances. Many haven’t mastered themselves to the degree to be able to be happy regardless of circumstances

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Doesn't matter, it's always the absence of a thing that makes something else present. 

You can be devoid of emotion

[Sugarcoat]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

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Something that is free is to change your mindset into a better one which can make you happier, and this can be seen as an attitude change partly

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

You can be devoid of emotion

There's an emotion that notices that.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's an emotion that notices that.

I didn’t know I was an emotion, I thought it was me that notices 

Maybe that’s why people say “I am happy” 😂

Edited 7 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

But for humans happiness tends to arise as response to circumstances in many cases , so you can pursue those circumstances. Many haven’t mastered themselves to the degree to be able to be happy regardless of circumstances

Yes, I agree with that. The pursuit of happiness, though, is a different thing because pursuit is not the same thing as a response. One cannot be happy regardless of circumstances through a process or practice as there is no guarantee now the body will respond in unexpected circumstances one has never been confronted with before.