Schizophonia

Why one would not defend Israel ?

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18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Listen to the full speech this is Israel's side of it.  He does address the accusations of genocide.

 

 Bruh i can’t listen to a full speech of this ethnic cleansing demonic dweeb. I tried but failed.

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21 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's not war to them it's oppression.  But see Israel was oppressed as well and if they didn't fight for their own country they would not exist at all.  So it's easy to demonize Israel here but it takes big picture thinking to see that it isn't Israel it's survival in general that is the devil.   Didn't Leo in one of his videos call the ego the devil.   Well there you go.  The Jews are for the first time fighting fire with fire and they get demonized for it because it's "current events".

Palestine didn't cause the holocaust.

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I should point out that I am not particularly pro-Israeli; I just have no interest in this conflict and this opinion was a one-off.


Nothing will prevent Willy.

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28 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Palestine didn't cause the holocaust.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 


 

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29 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I should point out that I am not particularly pro-Israeli; I just have no interest in this conflict and this opinion was a one-off.

I have stated my opinion before.  At the end of the video I think was an interesting point.  Many feel Hamas will never be able to be destroyed for good and trying to continue blasting Gaza and killing civilians over 20 hostages is unnecessary bloodshed.  But according to his claims if the hostages get released the bloodshed stops.  They have a right to want their hostages back especially considering Hamas began this conflict.  And they want the civilians to leave but they won't.   So the choices are made both ways.  In fact Hamas is allowing civilians to be killed just as much by not returning the hostages...My opinion is they should probably stop but in Israel's eyes they fear Hamas will see this as a weakness and rebuild even quicker.  The obvious goal is to destroy Hamas not the civilians.  After Hamas is gone and the hostages back or dead or whatever then the Palestinians are welcome to stay under Israeli control.  That's how it was before.  No one is trying to ethnic cleanse from what i am hearing.  You can't always take what the media says as fact. 

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9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I have stated my opinion before.  At the end of the video I think was an interesting point.  Many feel Hamas will never be able to be destroyed for good and trying to continue blasting Gaza and killing civilians over 20 hostages is unnecessary bloodshed.  But according to his claims if the hostages get released the bloodshed stops.  They have a right to want their hostages back especially considering Hamas began this conflict.  And they want the civilians to leave but they won't.   So the choices are made both ways.  My opinion is they should probably stop but in Israel's eyes they fear Hamas will see this as a weakness and rebuild even quicker.  The obvious goal is to destroy Hamas not the civilians.  After Hamas is gone and the hostages back or dead or whatever then the Palestinians are welcome to stay under Israel control.  That's how it was before.  No one is trying to ethnic cleanse from what i am hearing.  To believe only one side of the story (the one the western media feeds you) may not be completely accurate. 

I'm not an expert on the middle east but I have a feeling that there is no clear line between Hamas and the Palestinians. Is it possible to defeat Hamas without defeating the majority of Palestinians? 

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20 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The obvious goal is to destroy Hamas not the civilians.  After Hamas is gone and the hostages back or dead or whatever then the Palestinians are welcome to stay under Israel control.  That's how it was before.

The obvious is that the conditions of occupation and being “under control” give rise to Hamas.

Palestinian’s have a right to self determination that doesn’t depend on their “SpIraL DyNaMicS sTaGe”. Omg Afghanistan and Russia are so backwards in stage red / blue bro let’s go deliver them democracy whilst simultaneously denying them any sovereignty that’s foundational to democracy in the first place lol

Israel already have self determination, but this right isn’t extended to the Palestinians - isn’t that the crux of the problem here..

Also, Hamas don’t pose a threat to Israel’s existence - a country with a small border to keep fortified along with their technological superiority and backing of a global superpower.

You say that’s how it was before: a manageable oppression where Palestinians knew their place and suffered quietly while the world looked the other way. Only issue is the world is all eyes on Israel now, unlike anything before.

I spy with my third eye ..

 

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5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

 Bruh i can’t listen to a full speech of this ethnic cleansing demonic dweeb. I tried but failed.

if you can't even listen to both sides what kind of understanding do you have? 

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4 minutes ago, enchanted said:

if you can't even listen to both sides what kind of understanding do you have? 

I heard his arguments before. He’s repeating them over and over and over and over. And he holds up these little cards like a presentation. It’s embarrassing. Obviously I would have walked out too. Nobody can bear listening to this crap.

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7 hours ago, zazen said:

The obvious is that the conditions of occupation and being “under control” give rise to Hamas.

Palestinian’s have a right to self determination that doesn’t depend on their “SpIraL DyNaMicS sTaGe”. Omg Afghanistan and Russia are so backwards in stage red / blue bro let’s go deliver them democracy whilst simultaneously denying them any sovereignty that’s foundational to democracy in the first place lol

Israel already have self determination, but this right isn’t extended to the Palestinians - isn’t that the crux of the problem here..

Also, Hamas don’t pose a threat to Israel’s existence - a country with a small border to keep fortified along with their technological superiority and backing of a global superpower.

You say that’s how it was before: a manageable oppression where Palestinians knew their place and suffered quietly while the world looked the other way. Only issue is the world is all eyes on Israel now, unlike anything before.

I spy with my third eye ..

 

That's a fair counter argument but I could also make the argument that Hamas would have risen regardless because the Palestinians don't want a two state solution either they want one that doesn't include Israel.   It's just that Israel is the one in control not the Palestinians.  But then we play the history game.  As far as how they were treated and the rights they have could be debated and perhaps improved on for sure.  But again this is a bit more nuanced then just claiming genocide and walking away.  In my opinion we do not have a clear case of genocide going on here.   Yet they are compared to being Nazi Germany or worse.  It's all Israel. No its not all Israel.

As far as Hamas being an existential threat or not any threat should be dealt with.  Just leave them be to build and get stronger after Oct 7th?  Maybe..but it's also Israel's option to not let that be the case too.

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7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I heard his arguments before. He’s repeating them over and over and over and over. And he holds up these little cards like a presentation. It’s embarrassing. Obviously I would have walked out too. Nobody can bear listening to this crap.

So then I take it you didn't complete the pop quiz 🤔


 

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14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So then I take it you didn't complete the pop quiz 🤔

Oh look he brought a diagram 

 

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1 hour ago, enchanted said:

I'm not an expert on the middle east but I have a feeling that there is no clear line between Hamas and the Palestinians. Is it possible to defeat Hamas without defeating the majority of Palestinians? 

It's very difficult because as he points out in the video geographically the Gaza strip is such a small area and so Hamas and the civilians (the Palestinians) are right on top of each other.  

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31 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Oh look he brought a diagram 

 

@enchanted should we take his arguments seriously after thise blatant lies for decades and lots and lots of bloodshed?

 

fool me once….

 

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6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

@enchanted should we take his arguments seriously after thise blatant lies for decades and lots and lots of bloodshed?

 

Has Hamas returned the hostages admitting defeat?  No.  They continue to let the Palestinians die knowing they are in the line of fire because their ego is out of control and because of their hatred for israel.   That should be a clear cut sign of the danger they post to Israel's existence for those of you questioning that.

 

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8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Has Hamas returned the hostages admitting defeat?  No.  They continue to let the Palestinians die knowing they are in the line of fire because their ego is out of control and because of their hatred for israel.   That should be a clear cut sign of the danger they post to Israel's existence for those of you questioning that.

 

Here free speech advocate Charlie Kirk on oct 7.

 

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4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Here free speech advocate Charlie Kirk on oct 7.

 

I'll give you this.  That is a brilliant spin.  Maybe you should be an activist like Kirk was 😀.  But no..nice try.  One of Kirk's strengths was gaslighting.   You're not going to convince me that Oct 7th was Israel's fault or that they intentionally let it go on for a certain period of time.  Nice try though.   Conspiracy theories are welcome. 


 

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Just now, Inliytened1 said:

I'll give you this.  That is a brilliant spin.  Maybe you should be an activist like Kirk was 😀.  But no..nice try.  One of Kirk's strengths was gaslighting.   You're not going to convince me that Oct 7th was Israel's fault or that they intentionally let it go on for a certain period of time.  Nice try though.   Conspiracy theories are welcome. 

Ok so just for fun. So what do you say about his arguments here?

Also i ask myself this. Would bibi rather go to jail or cause death and destruction? I think he’d rather nuke iran than to seriously go to jail.

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2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Ok so just for fun. So what do you say about his arguments here?

Also i ask myself this. Would bibi rather go to jail or cause death and destruction? I think he’d rather nuke iran than to seriously go to jail.

How would you know when you cant get through his speeches. 


 

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3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

How would you know when you cant get through his speeches. 

I mean charlie kirks arguments in the video i posted.

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