My best solipsism rebuttal

[Rhythmic Entity]

Don't get me wrong I f*****g love the idea of solipsism and definitely would love for it to be true,but I'm convinced those who teach it don't even believe it. It is so illogical it's not even funny. I've seen people tell others in the comments on this site things like "no,your mother isn't conscious only YOU are conscious and you will one day live her life".... while telling other people on this forum that they're the only conscious being. Basically they've said the same things to countless individuals. How can you claim only ONE person is aware, conscious,etc but then tell many others "only you are conscious and everyone else isn't"? According to solipsism,only one can be aware while everyone else is an NPC. What would make more sense instead of solipsism is that we are all aware but from the same ONE AND ONLY CONSCIOUSNESS and this life and world that we inhabit is a collective or shared dream from all of our minds combined. Morgue official from YouTube made more sense when he said "we are one and many at the same time" one person on this forum will ask "is solipsism true?" The person who answers will say "yes only you are aware/sentient".....but if another were to ask that same question, that same person will answer "yes only you are conscious/sentient"........oooookkay you just told two people that only they are aware and you will tell countless others the same thing which goes against solipsism. Again it's just so illogical (as much as I love the idea and wish it were true) you're better off just saying EVERYONE is conscious and aware since you'll tell that to anyone who asks you if you preach solipsism.

[Inliytened1]

45 minutes ago, Rhythmic Entity said:

Don't get me wrong I f*****g love the idea of solipsism and definitely would love for it to be true,but I'm convinced those who teach it don't even believe it. It is so illogical it's not even funny. I've seen people tell others in the comments on this site things like "no,your mother isn't conscious only YOU are conscious and you will one day live her life".... while telling other people on this forum that they're the only conscious being. Basically they've said the same things to countless individuals. How can you claim only ONE person is aware, 

We cover this in the other thread.  The person isn't aware there is just Consciousness.  And Consciousness is Infinite.  This means it's One. So there can be nothing separated from it or outside of it.  The key is to understand that when you look at the room you're in right now it isn't really a "you" it is awareness itself. Ta da! And Awareness itself is all there is.  The you is an illusion.  Meaning the egoic self behind the eyes.  So Awareness is both self and other.  It's every being the false you has ever held in its Consciousness.  This whole it was the You imagining both self and other.   

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:31 AM by Inliytened1

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, Rhythmic Entity said:

as much as I love the idea and wish it were true) you're better off just saying EVERYONE is conscious and aware since you'll tell that to anyone who asks you if you preach solipsism.

Logically prove solipsism is not truth?

 

Do that first .

[Meeksauce]

3 hours ago, Rhythmic Entity said:

Don't get me wrong I f*****g love the idea of solipsism and definitely would love for it to be true,but I'm convinced those who teach it don't even believe it. It is so illogical it's not even funny. I've seen people tell others in the comments on this site things like "no,your mother isn't conscious only YOU are conscious and you will one day live her life".... while telling other people on this forum that they're the only conscious being. Basically they've said the same things to countless individuals. How can you claim only ONE person is aware, conscious,etc but then tell many others "only you are conscious and everyone else isn't"? According to solipsism,only one can be aware while everyone else is an NPC. What would make more sense instead of solipsism is that we are all aware but from the same ONE AND ONLY CONSCIOUSNESS and this life and world that we inhabit is a collective or shared dream from all of our minds combined. Morgue official from YouTube made more sense when he said "we are one and many at the same time" one person on this forum will ask "is solipsism true?" The person who answers will say "yes only you are aware/sentient".....but if another were to ask that same question, that same person will answer "yes only you are conscious/sentient"........oooookkay you just told two people that only they are aware and you will tell countless others the same thing which goes against solipsism. Again it's just so illogical (as much as I love the idea and wish it were true) you're better off just saying EVERYONE is conscious and aware since you'll tell that to anyone who asks you if you preach solipsism.

When you talk about solipsism with someone else, you're basically saying this WOULD be true for them if they were conscious, which they're not. It's just to help them understand the concept so they can have an awakening for themselves, even though it's not really happening. Alas, the ego still wants to tell "others" about this once it realizes it. But you're helping imaginary beings. Yes it is possible to have a direct experience awakening to solipsism where it is proven to be absolutely impossible not to be true.

Edited 21 hours ago by Meeksauce

[JosephKnecht]

 

[Salvijus]

Round Table on Love & Solipsism

Solipsist:

Love is nothing more than my mind recognizing itself in its own projections. The “other” I seem to love is just part of my dream. Nothing outside my consciousness can be proven.

 

Buddhist:

But who is this “I” you speak of? Buddhism teaches that the self itself is empty — a bundle of impermanent processes. When you experience love, it is not “you” recognizing “another,” but the illusion of separation dissolving. Love reveals interdependence, not solipsism.

 

Vedantin:

I agree the separate ego is illusory, but in Vedānta we see love as the Self (Ātman) recognizing itself in another form. It is not your little mind reflecting itself, but Brahman shining through all beings. Solipsism shrinks reality into one ego; Vedānta expands it into the universal Self.

 

Christian Mystic:

Love is not self-reflection at all. Love is God dwelling between persons. To love another is to recognize the image of God in them. If others were illusions, love would collapse into idolatry of the self. But love persists because persons are real, and God is real, and love unites us in Him.

 

Existentialist:

I see things differently. Love is not a fusion of self and other, nor a projection of the self. It is a relation between free beings, each irreducible. To love another is to recognize their freedom without consuming it. Solipsism denies the reality of that freedom, and in doing so denies the very possibility of love.

 

Solipsist (pausing):

So each of you sees love as pointing beyond me — to emptiness, to universality, to God, or to the freedom of others. But could it not still be that all of these are stories I invent to console myself?

 

Buddhist:

That clinging to certainty is itself suffering. Release it, and love simply is.

 

Vedantin:

Even if you call it an invention, what invents it is Brahman.

 

Christian Mystic:

And the fact that you long for love at all is already evidence that you are made for communion with what is real.

 

Existentialist:

And the very conflict you feel — the resistance of the “other” — already proves they are not your invention. Otherwise, why would they resist you at all?

 

Solipsist (quietly):

Perhaps love is not the proof I imagined. Perhaps it is the undoing of the very need for proof.

---

 

✨ Here we see:

 

Buddhism: love dissolves the illusion of self/other.

Vedānta: love reveals the universal Self.

Christian mysticism: love reflects God and real persons.

Existentialism: love proves the reality of others’ freedom.

Solipsism: left weakened, since love either undermines or transcends its framework.

 

[Rhythmic Entity]

Sooooo... You mean to tell me that I'm the only one that can see,hear,smell, touch,and taste, and only I have sentience or awareness while everyone else i encounter is just a walking avatar and isn't aware at all? Kind of like my dreams where the characters in the dream appear as though they're sentient but really aren't? This is the kind of solipsism I'm talking about hence why I'm even sharing this rebuttal. This is the kind of solipsism that is illogical. Of course I know that the self identifications that we create in our minds can never be the real us,but what I'm saying is this, you can't possibly tell me others (avatars) that I see in real life aren't sentient/aware at all. Some even say that when you die, everything ceases to exist. People,planet earth, etc. many have died and we're still here.

[Rhythmic Entity]

8 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Logically prove solipsism is not truth?

 

Do that first .

👋 Hello I'm new here so I just learned how to respond to specific comments. Read my response all the way at the bottom. Hope it makes sense.

[Rhythmic Entity]

11 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

We cover this in the other thread.  The person isn't aware there is just Consciousness.  And Consciousness is Infinite.  This means it's One. So there can be nothing separated from it or outside of it.  The key is to understand that when you look at the room you're in right now it isn't really a "you" it is awareness itself. Ta da! And Awareness itself is all there is.  The you is an illusion.  Meaning the egoic self behind the eyes.  So Awareness is both self and other.  It's every being the false you has ever held in its Consciousness.  This whole it was the You imagining both self and other.   

 

 

So only I can see,hear,smell, touch and taste and every other avatar I see is just a moving avatar with no sentience or awareness at all? Kind of like how in my dreams, characters in them only appear to have awareness and sentience but really don't? This is the kind of solipsism I'm referring to. Hope it makes sense.

[Rhythmic Entity]

8 hours ago, Meeksauce said:

When you talk about solipsism with someone else, you're basically saying this WOULD be true for them if they were conscious, which they're not. It's just to help them understand the concept so they can have an awakening for themselves, even though it's not really happening. Alas, the ego still wants to tell "others" about this once it realizes it. But you're helping imaginary beings. Yes it is possible to have a direct experience awakening to solipsism where it is proven to be absolutely impossible not to be true.

That's an interesting take. I'd just like to know this definitively. As I've said before, I love the idea of it it's just that it makes zero sense. What proof does anyone have to claim other avatars aren't aware?

[Meeksauce]

1 hour ago, Rhythmic Entity said:

That's an interesting take. I'd just like to know this definitively. As I've said before, I love the idea of it it's just that it makes zero sense. What proof does anyone have to claim other avatars aren't aware?

It's not that you have an experience of other beings not having an experience. It's that you can become so conscious that you're aware of how your mind is creating reality.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Rhythmic Entity said:

👋 Hello I'm new here so I just learned how to respond to specific comments. Read my response all the way at the bottom. Hope it makes sense.

I did read it all the way to the bottom.

But my point was does it matter how we translate the meaning of the idea solipsism.

The point is it can’t be unproven or proved. It cannot be wished to be true or false.

 

Oneness is already self evident. There’s simply awareness and nothing outside of that arena.