What if you were stuck in “nothingness”?

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Sugarcoat I see, let's say nothingness is neither of that, it's up for grabs. 

Sounds good, good luck. 

Ofc I don’t know what nothing is, maybe it’s unknowable!

Thanks you too with whatever you do!!!

[Keryo Koffa]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

There could maybe be be spiritual value to  it

Like anything uncomfortable
(and if not already "inherently" then by anyway by necessity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Like anything uncomfortable
(and if not already "inherently" then by anyway by necessity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

Torture could lead to ego surrender

Try at your own risk

[Salariatu]

You read too much about nothingness from people who did not achieve nothingness. 

[theleelajoker]

1 minute ago, Salariatu said:

You read too much about nothingness from people who did not achieve nothingness. 

And they have nothing to say on that matter

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Salariatu said:

You read too much about nothingness from people who did not achieve nothingness. 

I haven’t read much. I just have ideas of it. And some partial experience of it which gives rise to conceptual framework of it

[Salariatu]

Look, nothingness is not a dream like state nor a drug like state, it's only like that when you don't let go of the concepts you have about reality. So pure awarness does not mean you will not have your 5 senses. In that dream you had, the collective society ego consciousness (agent smith) made you believe that, based on what you know about reality. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It would be a paradoxical nightmare I suppose - the fear within generated from the self and not the conception of 'self being within nothing'

Because as soon as you have a 'self' contained within 'nothing' there is a 'thing' suddenly ! No longer no-thing 🙃

 

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, Salariatu said:

Look, nothingness is not a dream like state nor a drug like state, it's only like that when you don't let go of the concepts you have about reality. So pure awarness does not mean you will not have your 5 senses. In that dream you had, the collective society ego consciousness (agent smith) made you believe that, based on what you know about reality. 

But couldn’t certain drugs like 5 Meo awaken you to nothing? Because for me it felt like I got closer to it

I can recognize it’s not a dream state though 

I don’t believe the mystical nothingness is same as the “nothingness “ in my dream, for sure, I just called it a KIND of nothingness

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It would be a paradoxical nightmare I suppose - the fear within generated from the self and not the conception of 'self being within nothing'

Because as soon as you have a 'self' contained within 'nothing' there is a 'thing' suddenly ! No longer no-thing 🙃

 

Yes. As soon as you have a self, everything else is defined as “not you”. So suddenly you have two Something’s, you and the rest. Now if this “rest” would be no perception, I don’t know how this duality would work. But I don’t care either. Just shared a thought . I’m more so fascinated by dreams and altered states themselves

[Schizophonia]

But you are already in Jail 

[Salariatu]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

But couldn’t certain drugs like 5 Meo awaken you to nothing? Because for me it felt like I got closer to it

I can recognize it’s not a dream state though 

I don’t believe the mystical nothingness is same as the “nothingness “ in my dream, for sure, I just called it a KIND of nothingness

It depends who is taken the drug, DMT will not make for you something special if you can't achieve nothigness state without drugs. So in almost all majority of time when someone takes psychedelics they get feed up by the collective ego, and everything will be fancy and spiritual and nothigness if you are on that path. Drugs can help, those who know what they are doing, but if you don't know is dangerous, because only letting go of everything leads to getting fed by ''the matrix'' and after that you could go around and teach about nothigness and enlightenment etc. 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Sugarcoat yes totally - I do lots of hypnagogic, OBE & dream state work. Many logs of experiences 😀 

I am intrigued by the concept of an impossibility in the dream and fear arising. Almost like the brain perceiving its own eyes. The dream self probably wouldn't understand the impossibility - my dream self is dumb as shit in my experience lol 

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

But you are already in Jail 

I mean you imagine the fear of being castrated of senses. 

But you're already stuck in a dream with only five senses.

That's why babies cry at birth; they go from a state of omnipotence to castration, to limits; this traumas has already been experienced. 

And if you're capable of being afraid, it's because you always have an ego that imagines limits. Fear is symbolic, so it's not really nothingness.

Nothingness still can't exist, by the way. As Bashar would say, the quality of nothingness is that it can't exist, lol.

Edited September 5 by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Sugarcoat yes totally - I do lots of hypnagogic, OBE & dream state work. Many logs of experiences 😀 

I am intrigued by the concept of an impossibility in the dream and fear arising. Almost like the brain perceiving its own eyes. The dream self probably wouldn't understand the impossibility - my dream self is dumb as shit in my experience lol 

Very cool! Feel free to share on the forum if you have interesting experiences . 
 

It’s fascinating how in everyday life my thoughts aren’t so vivid but then in dreams it can be vivid, like you say “brain perceiving its own eyes”

My dream self can sometimes come closer to my irl self. Last night I dreamt that I told my sister and mom that “I am dreaming right now, because everything is so weird so I can tell it’s a dream”. It’s so weird.,,

[Schizophonia]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

my dream self is dumb as shit in my experience lol 

You had to incarnate yourself in me.

 

Ego with big IQ and who has unlimited access to croissants, what more could god want

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Salariatu said:

It depends who is taken the drug, DMT will not make for you something special if you can't achieve nothigness state without drugs. So in almost all majority of time when someone takes psychedelics they get feed up by the collective ego, and everything will be fancy and spiritual and nothigness if you are on that path. Drugs can help, those who know what they are doing, but if you don't know is dangerous, because only letting go of everything leads to getting fed by ''the matrix'' and after that you could go around and teach about nothigness and enlightenment etc. 

 

Your point is that if you adopt a certain spiral paradigm and identity, that will color your trips and what you gain from them you will fit into your paradigm. So it’s limited experience?

[Keryo Koffa]

What I get from "no self" discussions is an experience devoid of contextualizing itself relative to an observer construct.

51 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Torture could lead to ego surrender | Try at your own risk

Why not join the military at this point? I heard of NDE people returning just to sign up 

Edited September 5 by Keryo Koffa

[Schizophonia]

11 minutes ago, Salariatu said:

everything will be fancy and spiritual and nothigness

 

My trips are essentially nonsense most of the time

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I mean you imagine the fear of being castrated of senses. 

But you're already stuck in a dream with only five senses.

That's why babies cry at birth; they go from a state of omnipotence to castration, to limits; this traumas has already been experienced. 

And if you're capable of being afraid, it's because you always have an ego that imagines limits. Fear is symbolic, so it's not really nothingness.

Nothingness still can't exist, by the way. As Bashar would say, the quality of nothingness is that it can't exist, lol.

Very good reply. I am indeed stuck in this dream for maybe 100 years if I don’t awaken. But for now I don’t dislike it so it’s fine

Ego is something that is always afraid of something, so I don’t know if it would be afraid of loss  of all senses. If someone goes blind and feel fear , what is the fear about?🧐