Is meditation actually detrimental to regular people?

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Wiz said:

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! Very cool that you responded. I've been watching your channel for a long time, and you had a profound impact on me. Just wanted to say that first.

Hi hi.

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But what are you suggesting then? We should just become all enlightened, sit somewhere in a cave on a mountain and just die while being blissed out?

Yes. I am saying that.

That's the intelligent thing to do.

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I don't think the purpose of life is to become enlightened because, like you say, enlightnenment is problem for survival, the society would simple collapse, wouldn't it?

It won't collapse because only you will be enlightened, no one else.

And also you will still survive post enlightenment.

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I was making this post to get some clarity on meditation for regular people who just want to improve their life and are not pursuing spirituality seriously, like a lot of you guys here.

Well, in that case I suggest you get very rigorous in measuring the benefits of meditation to you. If it doesn't offer you tangible benefits then stop wasting time on it.

Meditation may offer practical benefits like calming your negative emotions. But it may not. Really depends on you.

Edited August 26 by Leo Gura

[Wiz]

@inFlow  

I didn't empahasise this enough on my post, but I'm talking about meditation as it's usually advertised to regular people. The core issues is compatibility of meditation with regular lifestyle of modern life. A lot of you guys here are not “regular people” and you're using meditation as a tool to become enlightened or become more conscious. 

[Wiz]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes. I am saying that.

That's the intelligent thing to do.

Haha. OK. Well, I'm not ready to do that. 

 

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, in that case I suggest you get very rigorous in measuring the benefits of meditation to you. If it doesn't offer you tangible benefits then stop wasting time on it.

Meditation may offer practical benefits like calming your negative emotions. But it may not. Really depends on you.

Right. I guess, I will give it a serious shot for a year, meditating maybe 20 mins per day every day and we'll see. I'm already meditating for 10 mins, but it seems to be too short. I don't think it can do more harm than good, especially at this “dose”.

[inFlow]

@Wiz I never thought of myself as different from others. Once you grasp the importance of meditation you must do it every day, it's like taking a shower, you can't live life being dirty. Btw there are simple Kriya pranayama practices that were created for the lay men of the world, who have a family etc. just 30minutes per day can grow your consciousness really fast.

[Wiz]

@inFlow

You're just humble. By just being on this forums with over 900 posts sets you apart very much from most people. 
 

[inFlow]

@Wiz You too

[gettoefl]

3 hours ago, Wiz said:

@Leo Gura Hi Leo! Very cool that you responded. I've been watching your channel for a long time, and you had a profound impact on me. Just wanted to say that first.

But what are you suggesting then? We should just become all enlightened, sit somewhere in a cave on a mountain and just die while being blissed out? I don't think the purpose of life is to become enlightened because, like you say, enlightnenment is problem for survival, the society would simple collapse, wouldn't it? 

I was making this post to get some clarity on meditation for regular people who just want to improve their life and are not pursuing spirituality seriously, like a lot of you guys here.
 

The goal of meditation is that I see you as perfect. Because you are. Running to a cave precludes this. I become perfect when I restore perfection to you. You being perfect has nothing to do with what you do or how you look.

[inFlow]

5 hours ago, Wiz said:

I was making this post to get some clarity on meditation for regular people who just want to improve their life and are not pursuing spirituality seriously, like a lot of you guys here.

West took a spiritual practice, saw some benefits that it gives and took the practice to "improve" oneself. The "western" style of thinking is stupid, take what is "good" and leave out what is "bad". And you are here to improve the ego, to get better leaving out the main POINT of what it actually was discovered.

[Sugarcoat]

8 hours ago, Wiz said:

Please do make a post about it. I think this is under-discussed topic. Even asking these sort of questions is problematic because there is a bias involed. It's analogues to asking a marathon runner if running is bad for your knees. Well, it depends because the runners who are able to run marathons either don't have fucked up knees, or they do but push through the pain because they associate their identity with this activity so much.

It’s hard to write about because I’m not enlightened myself. I can only speak about how loosening in the self-structure has led to a more emptier mind, that’s why I assume enlightenment to be an extreme version of that

[freddyteisen]

@inFlow You have some powerful ways of describing meditation & it’s effects, I appreciate that. It gives me motivation to seriously continue my daily practice, as a cornerstone for my day. I do it immediately upon waking up.

Edited August 26 by freddyteisen