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@SugarcoatGot you there. You got silent. What is enlightenment. 


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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Just now, Princess Arabia said:

@SugarcoatGot you there. You got silent. What is enlightenment. 

lol you’re funny. I just hadn’t responded yet. My assumption is that enlightenment is something to do with the end of the sense of self or at least that it no longer feels absolutely real. Also the realization of what love is, that reality is non dual.

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1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

My assumption

When you seek a lost pocketbook or a lost knife in the kitchen, do you assume what you're looking for. No. You know exactly what you seek. Why assume it here. 


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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@SugarcoatIf I asked 100 different people who seek enlightenment what is it, I'd get 100 different answers or close to it. People seek enlightenment and can't give a precise answer, when asked, what it is. Then the one's that say loss of self is even more ridiculous because who would know they're enlightened if there's no self left. 


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Also the realization of what love is,

The love you speak about here cannot be realized because it's everything. Unconditional love cannot be known.


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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28 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

@SugarcoatIf I asked 100 different people who seek enlightenment what is it, I'd get 100 different answers or close to it. People seek enlightenment and can't give a precise answer, when asked, what it is. Then the one's that say loss of self is even more ridiculous because who would know they're enlightened if there's no self left. 

What we can know is when there is a sense of self present, or at least that’s how it is for me. And we can  believe that it must be possible to transcend it. 

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@Sugarcoat @Princess Arabia

Enlightenment is simply being where You already are.

That's it.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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1 minute ago, James123 said:

@Sugarcoat @Princess Arabia

Enlightenment is simply being where You already are.

That's it.

It’s this without adding a layer or boundary to it with the mind ?

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1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s this without adding a layer or boundary to it with the mind ?

nothing add. Simply You.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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Just now, James123 said:

nothing add. Simply You.

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37 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Sugarcoat @Princess Arabia

Enlightenment is simply being where You already are.

That's it.

I'm nowhere only seem to be. I sense a self here, but it's illusory. "You already are" suggests boundary, time and space, a position and a center; there's none.

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What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

What we can know is when there is a sense of self present, or at least that’s how it is for me. And we can  believe that it must be possible to transcend it. 

Cannot transcend what's not actually happening. Transcend suggests a doer and a subject that transcends. One never actually put a self there so one cannot get rid of a self. Can the sense of smell or taste be transcended by someone. No,. It falls away on it's own to reveal there was no one smelling or tasting anything to begin with but no one knew that.


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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@Princess Arabia No enlightenment is merging with the field of light in front of you. You cannot be in the body and be enlightened. If reality outside of you is a 2D surface enlightenment is the feeling of your head dissapears and you merge with a 2 dimensional surface. If you do this you will gain access to all the information in the 2d field of light in front of you.

If you can merge with the 2d light field you enter a trance state and are in meditation.

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Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

When you seek a lost pocketbook or a lost knife in the kitchen, do you assume what you're looking for. No. You know exactly what you seek. Why assume it here. 

You assume because you’re honest with yourself that you might not know what it is. People seek it though because it’s portrayed as the end of suffering and perhaps a lot of bliss

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7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Cannot transcend what's not actually happening. Transcend suggests a doer and a subject that transcends. One never actually put a self there so one cannot get rid of a self. Can the sense of smell or taste be transcended by someone. No,. It falls away on it's own to reveal there was no one smelling or tasting anything to begin with but no one knew that.

Maybe in absolute sense it’s like that

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4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia No enlightenment is merging with the field of light in front of you. You cannot be in the body and be enlightened. If reality outside of you is a 2D surface enlightenment is the feeling of your head dissapears and you merge with a 2 dimensional surface.

I'm already not in the body. There's no outside of me. There's no separation. All you're talking about is from the illusory perspective of a felt person inside a body. Not already happening. There's no merging into anything. All illusory stuff. Not really happening and cannot happen because there's no such thing as space or time.


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe in absolute sense it’s like that

There is ONLY the Absolute. 


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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Just now, Princess Arabia said:

There is ONLY the Absolute. 

Do you have a sense of self? Like do you wake up in the morning and feel “I am *insert your name”. Do you feel located behind the eyes? If not, sure speak in absolute terms, but if you answered yes, hmmm isn’t the absolute only concept to you then? Or maybe you resonate deeply with it and think that’s enough for you to speak in those terms

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@Princess Arabia if that were true you wouldn't be able to use the concepts the body is using and your field of view would mush together into one thing and you couldn't identify with anything. You would probably go to another dimension.


Sometimes it's the journey itself that teaches/ A lot about the destination not aware of/No matter how far/
How you go/How long it may last/Venture life, burn your dread

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3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

You assume because you’re honest with yourself that you might not know what it is. People seek it though because it’s portrayed as the end of suffering and perhaps a lot of bliss

Yes, and that's the 'tragedy' of this sense of self that's not actually happening already. It's energy chasing it's own tail. It's still 'all there is' doing that, appearing as someone seeking enlightenment, so it doesn't really matter. It's all empty appearances. It's already total and complete.


What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. 

 

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