All Prophets and Enlightened Masters Point to the One Truth

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The body is a non physical idea arising in consciousness? A consciousness that has no direct experience of what it feels like to be a physical body part.  For example: I am conscious of a hand, but I am not that hand. And the hand knows nothing of its existence in and of itself, it’s basically just an idea in consciousness only ? Eh!
 

 

Body, mountain, air, rain, sun etc... All arises and falls within consciousness. 

 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Body, mountain, air, rain, sun etc... All arises and falls within consciousness. 

 

Then conciousness is a place where many things appear and dissapear. It's not pure conciousness, it's conciousness where mountains and that appears. Why they do?

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

Body, mountain, air, rain, sun etc... All arises and falls within consciousness. 

 

Yes, thanks for the clarification.

 

Consciousness not being inside or outside of any thing, rather being everywhere at once as omnipresent? Eh!

[Breakingthewall]

58 minutes ago, James123 said:

Any questions, naming, labeling arises within the mind? 

Body is, not You.

What means pure conciousness? It's just a word. What describes? 

[James123]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then conciousness is a place where many things appear and dissapear. It's not pure conciousness, it's conciousness where mountains and that appears. Why they do?

 

25 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, thanks for the clarification.

 

Consciousness not being inside or outside of any thing, rather being everywhere at once as omnipresent? Eh!

İf you do not attach with thinking, life is love and You are Being / Pure consciousness.

[James123]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What describes?

İmpossible to describe it. Because, any description belongs to duality.

However, I will do my best. İmagine before physical birth, not imagining psychical birth now, just be in that moment (before physical birth), there is no sense of "I, universe, time, space, God, infinite, etc" is there, there is nothing there. That what pure consciousness or Being or Allah or unnamable is. However, words are can only point out. That moment is out of any charts, just Be.

[James123]

43 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Consciousness not being inside or outside of any thing, rather being everywhere at once as omnipresent? Eh!

Consciousness is not in the body; the body is in Consciousness. The world is in Consciousness. Space and time are in Consciousness. Consciousness is not limited by them. It is not "everywhere". İt is beyond place. It simply is.

Everything, body, mountain, rain, sun, even the idea of omnipresence shines only in It.

[Mellowmarsh]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What means pure conciousness? It's just a word. What describes? 

Every question demands an answer. 

No word can define or describe pure consciousness/ pure being/what is. Or, every word describes or defines pure consciousness/pure being/what is.

[DecemberFlower]

@James123 How to get that insight that consciousness is omnipresent or as you say beyond place?

[Breakingthewall]

45 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

İf you do not attach with thinking, life is love and You are Being / Pure consciousness.

Then in one side is the pure conciousness and in another the mountains, thoughts and that things that arises in it. They should be the same right? The Thoughts also

Do you know the idea Brahman?

Edited August 17 by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

@James123 Does One Truth mean Solipsism?

[James123]

7 minutes ago, DecemberFlower said:

@James123 How to get that insight that consciousness is omnipresent or as you say beyond place?

The consciousness is called omnipresent, but in truth, it is beyond place. It is not everywhere, it is that in which the idea of everywhere arises. To get insight, you can check the post below,

 

 

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@James123 Does One Truth mean Solipsism?

Solipsism is still a thought; it has a “thinker.”

Realization of the Self removes the “thinker.” There is no “I” left to say, “Only my mind exists.” Awareness itself is what is, independent of any personal claims.

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then in one side is the pure conciousness and in another the mountains, thoughts and that things that arises in it. They should be the same right? The Thoughts also

Exactly. Thoughts, mountains, and everything else are not two. They are the same Consciousness, taking many shapes. 

Therefore, nothing but Allah.

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

Exactly. Thoughts, mountains, and everything else are not two. They are the same Consciousness, taking many shapes. 

Therefore, nothing but Allah.

Yes but what is Allah, who takes infinite shapes that lives and are perfect? Why he has this power? What are you?

Edited August 17 by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

17 minutes ago, James123 said:

Solipsism is still a thought; it has a “thinker.”

Realization of the Self removes the “thinker.” There is no “I” left to say, “Only my mind exists.” Awareness itself is what is, independent of any personal claims.

Why can’t One Truth or Awareness itself be just another word for Solipsism?

[James123]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but what is Allah, who takes infinite shapes? Why he has this power? 

Once you rest as awareness, even the need for “why” falls away, because You are already the ocean in which all waves rise.

Moreover, don't you see the beauty? How to not love? As an example, do you have a girlfriend, if you do, do not judge, think anything about her. Just simply look at her, how beautiful she is. Then "why" dissolves.

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What are you?

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, James123 said:

Moreover, don't you see the beauty? How to not love? As an example, do you have a girlfriend, if you do, do not judge, think anything about her. Just simply look at her, how beautiful she is. Then "why" dissolves.

You just said that there is only pure consciousness, so love for your girlfriend is an illusion that appears in consciousness, just like a thought.

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Why can’t One Truth or Awareness itself be just another word for Solipsism?

Because there is no "I" regarding One Truth or Awareness, in Solipsism there is an "I" (I am the only one in existence) so its contrary...

Its real simple, Existence/Reality goes from Subtle to Gross, we here on this planet, with Bodies, Minds, Physicality/Nature and everything that is form, is the Gross part, like layers on a Onion, what is on the outside is not what is inside.. We are not the Body or Mind or anything that is Accumulated over time via food, air etc., we are what was there before that, in that context we are all One and the Same, lets call it Life, a certain sort of Intelligence, the same as what was there before the Big Bang, non physicality in nature, no boundaries, complete and whole...Brahman in Hinduism!

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

İmpossible to describe it. Because, any description belongs to duality.

However, I will do my best. İmagine before physical birth, not imagining psychical birth now, just be in that moment (before physical birth), there is no sense of "I, universe, time, space, God, infinite, etc" is there, there is nothing there. That what pure consciousness or Being or Allah or unnamable is. However, words are can only point out. That moment is out of any charts, just Be.

Actually the masters of the past, the one's you quoted, also talk about these things, there is a sense of I before birth and after physical death.

Karma is stored in all the bodies (food body, mental body, energy body, etheric/astral body, bliss body), when we physically die, the food and mental body dissipate, but the karma goes on in the energy/etheric/bliss body, that is where the karma is, there is no discretion in this realm, you are ruled by your karma and tendencies, if you were Blissful at the time of death, you will be Blissful beyond belief there too, if you suffering in death, you suffer there too... so there is a form of Consciousness persay, if you were a highly conscious person, you can choose which body to go into next, for most this is done unconsciously, so there is choice before birth and after death, its all a matter of Awareness, the more Aware You are, the more choice You have, until Enlightenment happens where this cycle ends for most...

[Hojo]

@Mellowmarsh When you go outside you are still in a room. Conciousness is the room that contains all rooms. If you are experience conciousness you are in a room even when outside.

Edited August 17 by Hojo

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Mellowmarsh when you go outside you are still in a room.

Do you mean there’s nothing beyond the prison walls of the mind?