Trap of Neo-Advaita / (No Self, No Others) and the Truth When Awareness Wears a Body

[James123]

The trap of the so-called neo-Advaita “no self” or "no others" is like mistaking the map for the journey. The idea that there is no “you” is seen, and suddenly a little house is built there, which is safe, empty, cold. But life is not meant to be frozen in a concept. When the false self is gone, what remains is not a void but the fragrance of Being itself. And that fragrance is love. It cannot be caged. It moves without a mover, dances without a dancer, flows into compassion without anyone to give or anyone to receive, not as a duty, but as a song overflowing.

To love unconditionally is to know there is no “self” and no “other.” Only the same Being shines through every form. Abide as That.

Then love is not an act of “me” toward “you”; it is the reflection of what is, as natural as fragrance to a flower, as light to the sun.

Even when it is seen clearly that self and duality are illusions, the play of form continues. Speaking happens, walking happens, touching happens. Not because there is a doer, but because life lives. Awareness or Being does not reject form / body; it embraces it, because, it is already it's own expression. The body is not an enemy, it is a doorway. Through it, tenderness touches, care moves, sharing blooms. 

Therefore, denying duality is the another mind activity. The body and the world are but forms appearing within the Self; they are not separate from it and therefore never opposed or rejected. To abide as the Self is to abide as Love itself, beyond all duality, beyond all concept.

Without this flowering into the living world, “no self” or "no others" becomes only another disguise of the mind, another wall or belief against love. But when there is no “self” and no “other,” love simply radiates, without direction, without effort, without name. The natural perfume of What has always been.

[Breakingthewall]

Good text. 

1 hour ago, James123 said:

When the false self is gone, what remains is not a void but the fragrance of Being itself.

Perhaps we could say that the false self never disappears, since it wasn't false, because nothing is false, but rather it was a closed structural configuration with an essential mission: survival and evolution.

At a given moment, this ever-changing structure evolves into an ever-more open pattern, until it becomes completely open, a window onto the whole, from which the unhindered flow of reality emanates. It is the unhindered flow of reality, and it perceives itself as such.

[James123]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Good text. 

Perhaps we could say that the false self never disappears, since it wasn't false, because nothing is false, but rather it was a closed structural configuration with an essential mission: survival and evolution.

At a given moment, this ever-changing structure evolves into an ever-more open pattern, until it becomes completely open, a window onto the whole, from which the unhindered flow of reality emanates. It is the unhindered flow of reality, and it perceives itself as such.

What I mean by “false self” is the "belief" that something is separate, when in truth it is and has always been the very Absolute itself.

According to the “self” (the mind identified perspective), there appears to be separation “me” and “you,” “here” and “there.”

According to the Self (pure awareness), there is only the Absolute; the appearance of separation is just that an appearance within itself.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

“false self” is the "belief" that something is separate,

This belief occurs because there's a real separation: you have a body to feed, a group of people to find your place in, a job to do, obstacles to overcome. Before opening your perspective, you must resolve all of the above.

[Princess Arabia]

Makes no sense. Just like typical spirituality. No doer, no self, life goes on, blah blah, then you instruct. Make a call to action. Do this, do that, its a trap. Youre the one in the trap if anything but not really because there's no you to be in a trap. You see it's all already done. All the same thing. Nothing can go wrong and nothing needs to change. Even my saying it makes no sense. Your post sounds good and all to the me but its all nonsense. To love unconditionally? No one can love unconditionally because that is already unconditional love being all dualities and conditional love. The body is not a form appearing within the self. There is no self. Disguise of the mind? There is no mind. When the false self is gone? There is no false self. Stop listening to those Alan Watts, Osho, Eckhart, and whomever else you're listening to. They speak to the dream as you speak to the dream and so does every spiritual teaching. The dream of separation because the whole doesn't need to be taught anything. Nothing wrong with it, but it's all empty and means nothing. 

It's not about denying duality, it's about recognizing it for what it is. To deny is acknowledgment that it exists. It doesn't. Everything is already not two. I'm not saying you're not correct, but it's within the dream scope. So you're not really telling anyone anything that's of value because the dream just isn't happening in the first place. There's no one there. It's the only illusion. If you really break apart what you're saying it falls to crumbles. There are no traps, no one is denying anything and there is no self, neither true or false.

Edited August 12 by Princess Arabia

[James123]

32 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Youre the one in the trap if anything but not really because there's no you to be in a trap.

So why do you even write? Smile 😊 And to whom you write? 😊 That's how sneaky is the ego is, which is making another identification. You should read the thread till that no self dissolves into ocean of Love. ❤️ 

32 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The body is not a form appearing within the self. There is no self.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Aren't you writing with the fingers through the body? 😊 This denying the duality. 😊 Meanwhile while body is still breathing 😊 

32 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

but it's all empty and means nothing. 

This is exactly mind says. Because attachment to word "empty and means nothing" belong to mind. Because, it is an attachment 😊 

Moreover, It has no separate meaning, because it is only the Being, and the Being is beyond meaning and meaninglessness. 😊 

Edited August 12 by James123

[James123]

44 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This belief occurs because there's a real separation: you have a body to feed, a group of people to find your place in, a job to do, obstacles to overcome. Before opening your perspective, you must resolve all of the above.

You can do all these without attachment, thinking or overcoming from anything. Just flowing with moment. Let the body do it's job. That's it 😊 

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, James123 said:

Let the body do it's job. That's it 😊 

It's a tremendously complicated job, it's not about eating and shitting, it's about integrating into society.

[James123]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's a tremendously complicated job, it's not about eating and shitting, it's about integrating into society.

İt is actually not. Look the body, it has billions of molecules, working perfectly. You are not on control how heart, liver, blood etc... works. 

Therefore, just flowing with the moment more easier. 

We are not control on the body, just aware of it.

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, James123 said:

İt is actually not. Look the body, it has billions of molecules, working perfectly. You are not on control how heart, liver, blood etc... works. 

Therefore, just flowing with the moment more easier. 

We are not control on the body, just aware of it.

4 hours ago, James123 said:

 

That's not the work of the self, it's keeping the body alive with external resources and the integration of that system into the social matrix, cooperation, emotional ties, work.

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's not the work of the self, it's keeping the body alive with external resources and the integration of that system into the social matrix, cooperation, emotional ties, work.

Eating one or two bread, and water is enough for body to survive for daily. 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

Eating one or two bread, and water is enough for body to survive for daily. 

And if you have a daughter, it's ok that she is sold in a brothel when she's 5 years old? Or maybe do you think that this doesn't happen to enlightened people? If it happens, what would you do? Eat bread? 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And if you have a daughter, it's ok that she is sold in a brothel when she's 5 years old? Or maybe do you think that this doesn't happen to enlightened people? If it happens, what would you do? Eat bread? 

At-Talaq, 65:3

“And whoever relies upon Allah then He is sufficient for him.”

This verse highlights that Allah is the best arranger of affairs, and true trust (tawakkul / complete surrendering / non attachment/ complete letting go) is turning to Him. Trust is essential in matters of destiny and provision.

Quran.

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, James123 said:

At-Talaq, 65:3

“And whoever relies upon Allah then He is sufficient for him.”

This verse highlights that Allah is the best arranger of affairs, and true trust (tawakkul / complete surrendering / non attachment/ complete letting go) is turning to Him. Trust is essential in matters of destiny and provision.

Quran.

Ok, So when your 5-year-old daughter is being raped, you can read that to her. Tell her you don't have the balls to be a man, and that in return, you're an enlightened. Sure she will understand. 

Edited August 12 by Breakingthewall

[James123]

54 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, So when your 5-year-old daughter is being raped, you can read that to her. Tell her you don't have the balls to be a man, and that in return, you're an enlightened. Sure she will understand. 

What must happen will happen, whatever you do to prevent it. What must not happen will not happen, whatever you do to make it happen. The best course is to remain still.

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

The best course is to remain still.

Over all if you are lazy

[Inliytened1]

10 hours ago, James123 said:

The trap of the so-called neo-Advaita “no self” or "no others" is like mistaking the map for the journey. The idea that there is no “you” is seen, and suddenly a little house is built there, which is safe, empty, cold. But life is not meant to be frozen in a concept. When the false self is gone, what remains is not a void but the fragrance of Being itself. And that fragrance is love. It cannot be caged. It moves without a mover, dances without a dancer, flows into compassion without anyone to give or anyone to receive, not as a duty, but as a song overflowing.

To love unconditionally is to know there is no “self” and no “other.” Only the same Being shines through every form. Abide as That.

Then love is not an act of “me” toward “you”; it is the reflection of what is, as natural as fragrance to a flower, as light to the sun.

Even when it is seen clearly that self and duality are illusions, the play of form continues. Speaking happens, walking happens, touching happens. Not because there is a doer, but because life lives. Awareness or Being does not reject form / body; it embraces it, because, it is already it's own expression. The body is not an enemy, it is a doorway. Through it, tenderness touches, care moves, sharing blooms. 

Therefore, denying duality is the another mind activity. The body and the world are but forms appearing within the Self; they are not separate from it and therefore never opposed or rejected. To abide as the Self is to abide as Love itself, beyond all duality, beyond all concept.

Without this flowering into the living world, “no self” or "no others" becomes only another disguise of the mind, another wall or belief against love. But when there is no “self” and no “other,” love simply radiates, without direction, without effort, without name. The natural perfume of What has always been.

I'm glad you had this realization.  Most stuck in it never do. 

[Hojo]

Yes ,no doer or ,no one there ,means something, the neo advita drones don't understand that. It has meaning and the meaning is precisely not, that there is no one there. There is something there and the adviata drone won't ever find it cause they think there's nothing there. There is something there doing it.

They just say the same thing over and over in a drone voice. Yes there is a doer ,its just not here.

Edited August 13 by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

11 hours ago, James123 said:

Let the body do it's job

This is the most ridiculous command. Who are you talking to. Who must let the body do it's job. There's no one there to let the body do it's job. The body is doing it's job regardless. Are you talking to the person outside the body. Not sure. Who?

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You are not on control how heart, liver, blood etc... works. 

Who is the you here that's not in control; and if he's not in control of how the heart, liver, etc works, how is he to let the body do it's job. I guess he's in control of some things but not everything. Just enough control to be still and let the body do it's job. I wonder who's working the heart and liver and who works the "let the body do it's job". See how confused you are.

Edited August 13 by Princess Arabia