Reflection/mirrowing re other people?

[theleelajoker]

Recently, other people I meet and interact with seem to be...well, just reflections of my current or previous thoughts, emotions, actions, or projections/. believes.

Many small details about recent experiences, lifestyle and other details match very closely.  Sometimes, it seems that another person has just been created according to my current state, it's like an assembly line that constantly creates new mirror images. 

So one the one hand it's nice, because I am connected to "external reality", realizing that nothing is truly external.

On the other hand, it becomes harder for me to take others (or myself) seriously. How sentient is the individual if it's "only" a reflection from the mirror factory?

Also, those others have knowledge that goes beyond what they could know within their individual 3-D reality. For instance, a person I just met makes an insider joke that is only known to me and another person. (Yeah once okay but things like this become a routine). It's not only people but at times also other appearances - I have a certain mood and then songs appear that fit that mood tremendously well (again, once okay but it's really out of the ordinary)

So, it feels more like I am in interaction with "something" that

a) just takes different appearances and forms

b) is somehow related to everything that is happening on my field of awareness (which is all I got and all I have ever known of reality).

So, while being aware that if others meet IRL are part of this something, then others in this forum are as well: 

Any opinions? How does this mirroring work? So I am also just a mirror for others the same they are for me? How to best communicate & interact? 

I know about the idea of Indras net of jewels for instance, that's the best symbol to describe my experience. All in all this feels very solipsistic.

Edited Saturday at 03:55 AM by theleelajoker

[Hojo]

I think what you see in other people is what they see in you reversed. So if you think someone is highly intelligent they by default think you are retarded.

[Schizophonia]

13 minutes ago, Hojo said:

I think what you see in other people is what they see in you reversed. So if you think someone is highly intelligent they by default think you are retarded.

No precisely people see the same thing in you that you see in them, hence the term mirror.

[Hojo]

@Schizophonia but the mirror is backwards. When you look in the mirror its the same thing reversed. If you create a duality. This person is smart the duality must exist and someone has to take the opposite. I'm not sure how it works i will try to hate everyone and think everyone is boring and I will let you know if they love me and think I'm exciting.

I remeber sadhguru saying if you have a smart phone you must be the dumb one.

Edited Saturday at 04:07 PM by Hojo

[Princess Arabia]

Yes this seems to happen here a lot. Think of a reflection in the water (I love this analogy so I use it a lot). You see the moon's reflection and all that surrounds the moon, maybe clouds and stars and trees, all in the reflection in say the river. That whole entire reflective bubble is reacting to itself, meaning if the moon or the appearance changes the reflection also changes to match that. Exact duplication. The reflection is like the dream. You. So when other move you move, when other thinks you think, when other drink you drink, etc. Just isn't noticeable because of linearity. How the dream abstracts, how it interprets and process. There are times when it will seem to catch up and sync perfectly but that won't appear to happen always. I'll give an example.

Recently in the mind, I've been saying a lot "the blind leading the blind". It's an expression that came out of nowhere. Just something I've been saying to myself a lot was even going to write it out in my journal, but didn't - for no reason. All of a sudden I'm reading a comment by @Purpletree and he said "the blind leading the blind". You may have seen it. He even went on to express what it means in Bible terms. My linear mind was catching up to the reflection. Something else recently too, but I forgot because it happens so many times and also in my personal life. 

It is all happening in the eternal now but the mind only processes it linearly and it seems to be a continuous process - life that is well in actuality it's all at once. Just like the reflection. Think of the moon as nothing and the reflection to be what nothing is being. That's why I say nothing is happening and there's no one. It's all nothing being everything. We're just playing what seems to be catch-up. It's already done and that's why processes and practices are futile in this sense.

@theleelajoker

Edited Saturday at 04:11 PM by Princess Arabia

[theleelajoker]

@HojoInteresting idea but doesn't fully reflect my experience.

I guess the mirror can not always work backwards, otherwise I would never have a friendship, or a relationship with a woman, because it requires both parties to like each other at least to a degree, right?

Also, then I wouldn't have the massive amount of synchronicities that are happening.

I agree that there has to be some duality that is being created, so to give me some attribute (smart, funny, interesting etc) there has to be the creation of the opposite somewhere. Someone has to be less funny, less smart, less interesting etc 

Any further input from anyone?

 

[theleelajoker]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes this seems to happen here a lot. Think of a reflection in the water (I love this analogy so I use it a lot). You see the moon's reflection and all that surrounds the moon, maybe clouds and stars and trees, all in the reflection in say the river. That whole entire reflective bubble is reacting to itself, meaning if the moon or the appearance changes the reflection also changes to match that. Exact duplication. The reflection is like the dream. You. So when other move you move, when other thinks you think, when other drink you drink, etc. Just isn't noticeable because of linearity. How the dream abstracts, how it interprets and process. There are times when it will seem to catch up and sync perfectly but that won't appear to happen always. I'll give an example.

Recently in the mind, I've been saying a lot "the blind leading the blind". It's an expression that came out of nowhere. Just something I've been saying to myself a lot was even going to write it out in my journal, but didn't - for no reason. All of a sudden I'm reading a comment by @Purpletree and he said "the blind leading the blind". You may have seen it. He even went on to express what it means in Bible terms. My linear mind was catching up to the reflection. Something else recently too, but I forgot because it happens so many times and also in my personal life. 

It is all happening in the eternal now but the mind only processes it linearly and it seems to be a continuous process - life that is well in actuality it's all at once. Just like the reflection. Think of the moon as nothing and the reflection to be what nothing is being. That's why I say nothing is happening and there's no one. It's all nothing being everything. We're just playing what seems to be catch-up. It's already done and that's why processes and practices are futile in this sense.

@theleelajoker

Thanks! Now I am getting practical value form the "nothing" approach

Just isn't noticeable because of linearity. How the dream abstracts, how it interprets and process

--> this makes sense. It's a function that is - probably - not understandable for my tiny mind. 

This part is still a bit tricky unclear:

It's all nothing being everything. We're just playing what seems to be catch-up. It's already done and that's why processes and practices are futile in this sense.

• I get the "catching up" part like this: So everything happening instantaneously, but linear mind has to process time to experience what already has been created
• Couldn't practices make us more aware of a) this process and b) more conscious of what we are creating? At least that is my impression from the last years before I was not aware of the intensity of my reflections 

Moreover, any experience/input how this exactly works, how the dream is reading and creating stuff? I recently watched "play test" Episode, black mirror season 3. Feels a bit like this

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Schizophonia but the mirror is backwards. When you look in the mirror its the same thing reversed.

Yes but precisely it does not change the nature of what is returned in reverse; when you look in the mirror your head does not become a triangle instead of an oval, you do not become black instead of white and vice versa etc.

Look who sees stupid people everywhere; they're not intelligent people in the same context.
Same goes for people who recognize intelligence in others. Have you ever seen a stupid person say to someone, "Oh, you're so smart, that's cool 😁"

If you embrace a frequency of intelligence, you'll end up with intelligent people who will automatically reflect it; if you're an engineer at Google, you know that your colleagues are intelligent, if not good at coding, because you are! That's why you're an engineer at Google.
On the other hand, if you embrace stupidity, you'll find yourself insulting all those idiots on TikTok about politics; they're a reflection of that idiot who spends his time arguing on TikTok, namely you.

What do all these idiots everywhere have in common? You
What do all these intelligent people have in common? You
What do all these Google engineers have in common? You, you're also a Google engineer.
What do all these big idiots who talk stupid things on TikTok have in common? You.

Projection is enabled by the split between the symbolic (="matter") and affect (="energy").
Affect is shared by the subject and object of the projection, but the relationship between affect and the symbolic differs between them; and reason belongs to the symbolic.

So I can be a big jerk (affect) but believe it doesn't belong to me by pointing out to another big jerk (mirror) what he is because it turns out that in a given context I am more right than he is.

[theleelajoker]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Projection is enabled by the split between the symbolic (="matter") and affect (="energy").
Affect is shared by the subject and object of the projection, but the relationship between affect and the symbolic differs between them; and reason belongs to the symbolic.

So I can be a big jerk (affect) but believe it doesn't belong to me by pointing out to another big jerk (mirror) what he is because it turns out that in a given context I am more right than he is.

Hm not sure I follow completely.  You lost me a bit here

If I never behaved in a way that I feel I was a jerk, and if I never think of anyone else as a jerk, then I never meet a jerk?

[Princess Arabia]

29 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

This part is still a bit tricky unclear:

It's all nothing being everything. We're just playing what seems to be catch-up. It's already done and that's why processes and practices are futile in this sense.

• I get the "catching up" part like this: So everything happening instantaneously, but linear mind has to process time to experience what already has been created
• Couldn't practices make us more aware of a) this process and b) more conscious of what we are creating? At least that is my impression from the last years before I was not aware of the intensity of my reflections 

There's no one to be more aware or more conscious of anything. That's the dream. The processes and practices aren't really happening so there's no more being aware of what's not actually happening. It's similar to you wanting to change the appearance in the mirror without changing the source of the reflection. No one can alter or change what appears and what appears is nothing being that. This is why it's nothing, can't be touched, altered, changed. Can't touch nothing and can't change appearances. The one doing the process and practices is like nothing being the process and practice and the one not doing the process or practices is nothing being that. Either way it's nothing being that and all are just appearances. 

The river's appearance of the moon's reflection can be altered by say throwing a rock in the river and the water distorting the appearance, and it can get still again to reflect it's original 'picture', that's still nothing doing/being that disturbance. Can't escape nothing. All the raising of awarenesses and higher consciousness is still nothing being that. It's all empty and also the reflection. Nothing is really happening because nothing is everything. This is why the "no one" term can be so resisted because the someone is the reflection thinking its the real deal. This is not a suggestion to not practice or do anything. No one decides that anyway, this is an explanation of what freedom and liberation is like. It's already done but no one benefits because it's not personal as there's no one to benefit. It's all there is. This is also what saying it's just an appearance means and how everything is perfect and nothing needs fixing. 

When one starts to look at life as no one and nothing excluded in anything it gets easier to see what's really happening. No one is above any other and everyone wins, even though there's no one to win at anything - just an expression, Doesn't appear like that, but it is the case. Take the observer away and it's all just what's appearing with no labels and distinctions or right or wrong.

Edited Saturday at 04:59 PM by Princess Arabia

[Hojo]

But intelligent and not dumb are the same thing on a line.

We are not talking about physical things we are talking about purely metaphysical data. So a beautiful scene can change into a horrific scene without changing any form. In the metaphysical domain the triangle can change into a circle.

A beautiful person who is obsessed with their beauty can walk around with other beautiful people and say they are beautiful but if they are identified with that they wouldn't say these people are more beautiful than me. They will have the secret that they think they are more beautiful than them and they are ugly in comparison.

The only thing I can say is try both.

From my experience any woman I deem ugly instantly tries to have sex with me and any woman I deem attractive is out of reach precisely because of what I am doing to myself. IMO.

I would say if you have opinions about someone reverse them and see what happens.

Edited Saturday at 04:58 PM by Hojo

[theleelajoker]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

But intelligent and not dumb are the same thing on a line.

We are not talking about physical things we are talking about purely metaphysical data. So a beautiful scene can change into a horrific scene without changing any form. In the metaphysical domain the triangle can change into a circle.

Fair point, it's all subjective. 

 

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

From my experience any woman I deem ugly instantly tries to have sex with me and any woman I deem attractive is out of reach precisely because of what I am doing to myself. IMO.

So you never succeeded with a woman you found attractive? I kind of see what you're saying, and I remember occasions of me not wanting to be with others made them suddenly want me. But as I said, if it was always like that you would never have a relationship, never get with a woman you like etc. I often I got what I wanted -  if it was a woman, a job, a flat etc etc. 

[Hojo]

@theleelajoker No i have never had sex with a woman who instantly deemed hot. Like get nervous hot. Every attractive woman i have ever got with was with someone who i didn't think anything about really. They were very attractive but I never went this woman is very attractive then had sex.

My first girlfriend i didn't even like. But after like 6 months I started too and then she was super hot.

It feels like every attractive woman i had sex with I didnt even pay attention too at first. I have also never hit on a woman in my life consciously. So this is hard data.

I have anecdotes of 3 to 4 woman who i found not attractive text me and ask to give me a blowjob.

Edited Saturday at 05:20 PM by Hojo

[Schizophonia]

@Hojo Probably in your system from the moment you find a women attractive you put yourself in a frequency of wanting her and so not having her, and at the opposite if she is ugly you don't give a damn so you can actually get closer to a frequency of loving/having her.

[Hojo]

@Schizophonia then you could say my system works exactly like I say it does could you not.

[theleelajoker]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@theleelajoker No i have never had sex with a woman who instantly deemed hot. Like get nervous hot. Every attractive woman i have ever got with was with someone who i didn't think anything about really. They were very attractive but I never went this woman is very attractive then had sex.

My first girlfriend i didn't even like. But after like 6 months I started too and then she was super hot.

Hm so every life is different for everybody of course. There was for instance one time I met a girl and I was immediately into her, really crazy my type, very beautiful and very cool, too. So I really wanted to be with her, really made an effort to court her without being too much and after a few months we eventually became a couple. That gave me the believe that if you really stay consistent and honest with your intention and feelings, it eventually (can) pay off. However, I tried to repeat this intention in the relationship with her - "ok let's make this work"- and it didn't  

Bottom line - really liking something/ someone and honestly feeling that must not preclude you by definition from this experience happening.  Might be your personal karma, who knows. 

[theleelajoker]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

@Hojo Probably in your system from the moment you find a women attractive you put yourself in a frequency of wanting her and so not having her, and at the opposite if she is ugly you don't give a damn so you can actually get closer to a frequency of loving/having her.

But is it REALLY like that? I read this new age idea a lot, and I have instances where it is true. I stopped caring about sth and suddenly, boom it happens. 

But also, I have instances where I got what I wanted by just setting the intention, or action, or both. 

Did none of you really ever got what he wanted? 

 

[Hojo]

@theleelajoker it seems like this is agreeing with my statement. If you put yourself in the frequency of something the opposite happens.

 This is  quoting your response to schizophrenia.

Also maybe you deciding that you really wanted to make it work reversed into the other person not wanting it to work. Maybe had you not wanted it to work the other person automatically has to make it want to work.

Edited Saturday at 05:45 PM by Hojo

[theleelajoker]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@theleelajoker it seems like this is agreeing with my statement. If you put yourself in the frequency of something the opposite happens.

 This is  quoting your response to schizophrenia.

Both. Saying that I experienced both,  also I wanted sth and really got it while still caring about it.

So it's sometimes opposite, sometimes attracting what you want? Like a sinus curve? Random for my tiny mind, forever random 😂 

[Schizophonia]

13 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

But is it REALLY like that? I read this new age idea a lot, and I have instances where it is true. I stopped caring about sth and suddenly, boom it happens. 

It's not necessarily about  "new age"; LOA has essentially been theorized by non dual and some schools of thought inspired by other religions.

13 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

But also, I have instances where I got what I wanted by just setting the intention, or action, or both. 

Did none of you really ever got what he wanted? 

 

Of course you can have what you want; I want a glass of water and I'll get it soon.
But I don't have the glass of water because I wanted it; I have it because there isn't much resistance to shifting attention to the state of having/experiencing it.
It's a subtle game of shifting the state of wanting to the state of having.