About God

[Breakingthewall]

 

I saw God, he was a light of total openness, transparent, limitless, total. It was its face

He was also a source from which life emerged, and life was a divine nectar that was total joy, without blemish, without lack, absolutely full. It was its heart

He was also a billowing flame emerging from the bottomless depths, dancing with itself in an intricate dance, joyful, sensual. It was its character 

He was also an infinite unfolding of form, without process, instantaneous, limitless, total. It was its form

He was also a flow that flowed ceaselessly, and that flow was called intelligence and will, and they were direct; they didn't create the movement of the flow, they were the movement of the flow.

[cetus]

Boom there it is. Empty but briming with infinite intelligence. Every first has always been so.

[Sugarcoat]

How do you experience reality as full and alive rather than empty and lacking substance? 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, cetus said:

Boom there it is. Empty but briming with infinite intelligence. Every first has always been so.

Diferent visions in different moments. I was thinking, then the reality is conciousness? Or it's openenss? Is it the same or different? Is conciousness just the presence of the reality, then when the people say that god is pure conciousness means that conciousness is what reality is? Then I remembered what I saw, and I realized that there is not a facet of the reality, not a single thing that can define the reality. Because any definition comes from the form, then all the visions are true, not only one is true

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

How do you experience reality as full and alive rather than empty and lacking substance? 

One day I was walking in the street and I saw that reality was absolute open in front me, absolutely transparent, limitless. and was totally clear to me that I was one with it and it was total and without bottom, and was empty but was presence. Another day I took a toke of weed and in a moment reality opens and was full of life, like a fire of absolute power where you want be burned, then there was no mind just the life, and was absolutely full , another day another thing, sometimes again one, or the other. So I was thinking, what is real? Then I realized that all are real because they are facets of the unlimited. 

Edited Thursday at 11:32 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

One day I was walking in the street and I saw that reality was absolute open in front me, absolutely transparent, limitless. and was totally clear to me that I was one with it and it was total and without bottom, and was empty. Another day I took a toke of weed and in a moment reality opens and was full of life, like a fire of absolute power where you want be burned, then there was no mind just the life, and was absolutely full , another day another thing, sometimes again one, or the other. So I was thinking, what is real? Then I realized that all are real because they are facets of the unlimited. 

I’ve heard similar stories. So far I’ve only been close to the emptiness rather than the full aliveness

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’ve heard similar stories. So far I’ve only been close to the emptiness rather than the full aliveness

But the question would be? Those visions are real or are just visions created by the self? Illusions, maya

I mean, are subjective visions. An advaita would tell: there are infinite shapes that conciousness could take, those are some, just illusions. The reality is conciousness, nothing else. 

Who's right? I can't say for sure, maybe tomorrow I realize that the advaitas are right. I'd say that no but who knows 

Edited Thursday at 11:38 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

But the question would be? Those visions are real or are just visions created by the self? Illusions, maya

I mean, are subjective visions. An advaita would tell: there are infinite shapes that conciousness could take, those are some, just illusions. The reality is conciousness, nothing else. 

I can tell when my sense of self is still intact. But there have been moments when it has almost been absent. And it feels like you’re approaching a kind of nothingness. But it’s something you can’t really describe because it feels like the end of “something “. Then I wonder if there’s a different reality waiting on the other side of the self. If it would fully dissolve

[cetus]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Then I wonder if there’s a different reality waiting on the other side of the self. If it would fully dissolve

Only one way to find out.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, cetus said:

Only one way to find out.

By dissolving the self

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I can tell when my sense of self is still intact. But there have been moments when it has almost been absent. And it feels like you’re approaching a kind of nothingness. But it’s something you can’t really describe because it feels like the end of “something “. Then I wonder if there’s a different reality waiting on the other side of the self. If it would fully dissolve

Yes but what I mean is, from the perspective: reality is an illusion that conciousness is creating, then any realization about nothingness, fullness, anything, would be just an image that conciousness creates. It's a weird perspective . Those who say: reality is an illusion, only god is real, how they know that god is not another illusion? 

[cetus]

@SugarcoatYou guessed it. The clean slate you came into this world as you long to return to. But you have collected so much "self" along the way.

Edited Friday at 12:00 AM by cetus

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but what I mean is, from the perspective: reality is an illusion that conciousness is creating, then any realization about nothingness, fullness, anything, would be just an image that conciousness creates. It's a weird perspective . Those who say: reality is an illusion, only god is real, how they know that god is not another illusion? 

Maybe they mean the regular reality as average human knows it. Reality of separation. Nothingness etc is beyond that 

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, cetus said:

@SugarcoatYou guessed it. The clean slate you came into this world as you long to return to. But you have collected so much "self" along the way.

I feel like it’s my brain doing this “ self sense”. But maybe I’m wrong. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, cetus said:

You guessed it. The clean slate you came into this world as you long to return to. But you have collected so much "self" along the way.

I don't think so, Better don't take anything for granted, don't hold back on any perspective, don't believe in anything. It' like no one has ever opened the heart of reality because only you can do it. The words of others are nothing, only confusion. I am the only one who is

What we do here is reflecting, with the help of others, to contrast our points of view by seeing them reflected in others. It's strange, alienating, but we are human; we need to communicate, to connect.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe they mean the regular reality as average human knows it. Reality of separation. Nothingness etc is beyond that 

The point is: is the perception real or an illusion. I mean what is perceived . In my opinion it's absolutely real. 

Some days ago if someone would tell me: no, it's an illusion. I would think, he's totally deceived. But now I will try to think...let's imagine if he's right and I'm wrong. 

Edited Friday at 12:11 AM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, cetus said:

@SugarcoatYou guessed it. The clean slate you came into this world as you long to return to. But you have collected so much "self" along the way.

Sorry I didn't want to say that your vision is lie, I told you a mess without meaning. What I wanted to say is that it's not matter about purification or getting clean, it's about real openess to what reality is, then there are no maps, nothing is granted, nothing can be believed. If you have a powerful vision, absolutely true, your heart is absolutely open and you feel the flow of reality, you think: that's everything, but then you are closed and you start thinking, trying to make an ontology, and everything get confusing. Better don't get stuck in anything. 

[cetus]

14 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I feel like it’s my brain doing this “ self sense”. But maybe I’m wrong. 

You are correct from where you are standing. So, from there, wouldn't it be nice to take a break, even if it were just temporary, from the identity of the self and just Be? Some amazing things could happen.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I feel like it’s my brain doing this “ self sense”. But maybe I’m wrong. 

The sense of self is inevitable, it's how the reality is constructed now. It's not an illusion, it's a kind of perspective that is the manifestation of reality now. You can collapse the self and realize the reality directly, without the filter of duality, not perceiving anything but being it directly, but even so the self is registering. The self is doing a map in background always. Because the self wants to be transparent to allow direct vision then it need a map to don't get confused. Anyway, no map works, better don't try that, everything is very confusing from the mind

Edited Friday at 01:49 AM by Breakingthewall

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Breakingthewall These are Your best posts. True openess after many, many walls had broken down... Much respect for Your perseverence.