Mellowmarsh

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4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Form is not real in the sense that it's not permanent. What's real is You.

You are the flow of the reality, not the perceiver. Precisely the illusion is the perception of a center, the you. When perception opens, the flow of reality manifest. It's not a form, it's dynamic flow and you are that. The you that seems the center of perception is created by the flow. The "form" can't be remembered because remember is still, the form or manifestation is fluid movement, endless becoming. You are that. And the source of any manifestation is the absolute openess. You are the manifestation and the source, the perceptor is an appearance, the flow perceives itself by the fact of flowing.

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3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You are the flow of the reality, not the perceiver. Precisely the illusion is the perception of a center, the you. When your perception opens, the flow of reality manifest. It's not a form, it's dynamic flow and you are that. The you that seems the center of perception is created by the flow. The "form" can't be remembered because remember is still, the form or manifestation is fluid movement, endless becoming. You are that. And the source of any manifestation is the absolute openess. You are the manifestation and the source, the perceptor is an appearance, the flow perceives itself by the fact of flowing.

It sounds like you are equating your ultimate identity with physical reality ?

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27 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

There once was a mod called Nahm. Was he also into neo advaita ? 

Nahm is nothing. There Is no such thing as a Nahm.


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

It sounds like you are equating your ultimate identity with physical reality ?

There is not physical reality, there is just reality. It manifestation could be physical. 

It could be said that reality is absolute openess and it's manifestation is existence. Existence is liquid, in the sense that it is constantly in flux. Nothing in existence is fixed or definitive; every form is merely a moment in flux, like a ripple in water. However, the metaphor of liquid is only an approximation: reality is not just matter in motion, but the infinite unfolding of possibilities, an absolute flow that never stops or completely solidifies. Thus, the true nature of reality is not the "thing" or the object, but the openness that always expresses itself as becoming. The attempt to fix, remember, or solidify reality is what generates the illusion of stability, but at its core, everything is openness and flux.

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The flow is unceasing because it is composed of relations that unfold without ground or limit.
There is no static reality at any level; everything that appears as stable is only a temporary pattern within the endless unfolding of relations.

The essence of existence is not a fixed thing, but the very fact of infinite relational movement. What we call “things” are only nodes or temporary condensations in the flow, never truly static, always open to further unfolding. 

The real openess is not perceiving the depth of the becoming, is be one with the source. The source is the absolute openess that implies total potential. You could say that you are that, but that's not something, it's openess, absence of limits. 

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4 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

But you can say that about anything. Is the truth dreamed or imagined, that in order to get milk from the fridge, i need to walk to the fridge, open it, and take the milk out. These clever games dont change what needs to be done.

I agree that to get milk from the fridge requires one to do that action. That’s just what’s unconditionally happening.

Including the clever game of doership claiming. 
 

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@Breakingthewall

Right at the beginning you said you are the 'flow' of reality. This does seem to imply that you are identifying your true nature with something that changes. Are you not the changeless One ?

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1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I agree that to get milk from the fridge requires one to do that action. That’s just what’s unconditionally happening.

Including the clever game of doership claiming. 
 

I hear you, I just don't see the point in saying you have done the work, and then afterwards saying that doing the work is not really needed ?

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4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Breakingthewall

Right at the beginning you said you are the 'flow' of reality. This does seem to imply that you are identifying your true nature with something that changes. Are you not the changeless One ?

Look at  the part of absolute openess or absences of limits. The flow is existence, the manifestation or the absolute, the reality. It's limitlessness, can't be thought, you just can be open to it and be it. 

To realize this is not to become more aware of the flow, but to dissolve entirely into the groundless source from which all flows arise.
There is no depth, no center, no state to reach, only the boundless openness from which all manifestation flows

This is not an object of perception. It is the simple fact of absolute openness, which is what you truly are, but of course, you also are the flow, because are one

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1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Look at  the part of absolute openess or absences of limits. The flow is existence, the manifestation or the absolute, the reality. It's limitlessness, can't be thought, you just can be open to it and be it. 

To realize this is not to become more aware of the flow, but to dissolve entirely into the groundless source from which all flows arise.
There is no depth, no center, no state to reach, only the boundless openness from which all manifestation flows

This is not an object of perception. It is the simple fact of absolute openness, which is what you truly are.

Another word for 'absolute openness' is simply pure Awareness.

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Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

Another word for 'absolute openness' is simply pure Awareness.

No, awareness is perception. Openess is absence of limitations.  

openness and flow are one.
Openness is the nature, flow is the manifestation, but they are inseparable.
There is no flow without openness, and no openness without its manifestation as flow.
Awareness is an arising that happens in the flow. 

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2 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall relax . I said that's what neo adavaita army will say like VeganAwake..Princess Arabia and James123. 

No.  Neo-Advaita, or any framework, when held as truth, becomes belief, therefore, an idea clung to by the mind. It tries to describe Being, but Being does not need to be described. It simply is.

The pure expression of Being is love, not as emotion, not as philosophy, but as the natural fragrance of non-resistance, of not-two. Love is not a concept, it’s what remains when there’s no longer anyone trying to find or define anything.

Belief creates separation.

Being expresses as wholeness, openness, warmth, which are unconditioned, unpossessed.

No teaching owns that.

Only love flows from what is Real.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, awareness is perception. Openess is absence of limitations.  

openness and flow are one.
Openness is the nature, flow is the manifestation, but they are inseparable.
There is no flow without openness, and no openness without its manifestation as flow.
Awareness is an arising that happens in the flow. 

Show me something that doesn't arise in Awareness/Consciousness ?

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I know that for you perception is false , like if a mischievous Little demon playful is creating it for any reason but the perception is absolutely real.

Then, who convinced you that perception is created by some demon to deceive you? Perception is just the perception of the existence that's the manifestation of the reality. Then, you can perceive the reality, and maybe love it, not fake love, but real. Just try. The only problem is that deep perception is not so easy than Lobotomization 

Pd: You don't need to say love always because seems that you proclaim so much because your feeling in deep is precisely the opposite . Seems that you want to castrate the minds, same an fundamentalist Muslim os Christian. Not love but hate. 

You suffer deeply because you cling tightly to the very thing that gives rise to suffering: the identity, the “you,” the self-image built upon perception, belief, opposition, and defense. Your words are shaped by pain disguised as passion, which are an attempt to protect what feels threatened, to validate what feels unseen.

The fight to prove that perception is “absolutely real” is not about perception itself, but about needing to be right, to be heard, to be safe in a world that feels uncertain without a fixed ground. When the self feels exposed, when its constructed truth is questioned, therefore, it lashes out not because it knows truth, but because it fears losing control.

This is not blame. This is not judgment. This is a mirror.

The proclamation of love and the accusation of hate both come from the same root: a longing to be met, to be held, to be known beyond concepts. But as long as the “I” clings to its version of real, and defends it as absolute, it remains bound within the walls it builds.

True love does not need to proclaim itself or defend perception. It simply is quiet, alive, and open, without needing to be right.

You suffer not because perception is false, but because you mistake perception for identity, and identity for reality. And that illusion hurts more than any demon ever could.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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@James123 🍻


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, I just don't see the point in saying you have done the work, and then afterwards saying that doing the work is not really needed ?

I say it only as I know it to be truth for me. I only know myself, not others. I have zero access to another’s synthetic thought processing system.
For me, I imagine I’m doing the work that needs to be done, only to realise and recognise there is no separate me doing the work, and that actions are only what’s happening, for no one. For me, this recognition is the paradoxical nature of human self-actualisation.

It’s all still what’s happening as and through an imagined dream character, appearing as me here. 

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1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality doesn't arise from perception. Perception arise from the reality. As it arises it's unlimited, same than anything, but there is reality without awareness. Are you aware of the process of your liver? If you think that it doesn't exist but it just appears when you observe it because you as god are creating that illusion in background to deceive your self creating the appearance of a liver like a game to create something that seems real for the character and play....well, then you are not aware or all that mess, it's the same 

I think you might have it backwards. That sounds like the materialist paradigm. There is no reality without Consciousness. Reality is made out of Consciousness. 

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10 minutes ago, James123 said:

Love is not a concept, it’s what remains when there’s no longer anyone trying to find or define anything.

The point about this is that it's the ultimate wisdom to give up seeking .I know this very well .but what I don't understand is it seems a little bit not realistic at the physical level.  Like right now I'm sitting at home but I feel like my estrogen levels have increased and my Testosterone has gone down cuz I'm sitting  on my ass under my soft blanket for days now without taking a walk under the sun or cutting some trees or shed some sweat .so I feel like I need to do that .you know what I mean?  Or the most obvious example is hunger. All this spiritual bs flies out the window when you are hungry .you must get food. you can't stand the pain of hunger .


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

@James123 

Let's see if I can explain : Reality is the source and the manifestation; both are the same reality, but enlightenment is the openness to the source. It's one thing to realize the structure of reality, and another to realize its source. the source, the absolute openness, the limitlessness from which everything arises, cannot be remembered. It is neither experience nor knowledge; when the structure closes, it disappears completely, leaving nothing but a mute intuition of its presence. This doesn't mean that the manifestation of reality is unreal; it is absolutely real, and to truly perceive it, in all its depth, is to see the absolute glory of reality.

Denying the form is crazy, the form is the manifestation of the reality, how could it be otherwise? Those who says that form is unreal is because they are closed in their closets. Prisoners of the center, the perceptor 

Brother, The source or Being and what appears are not two. There is no gap, no journey, no achievement. The one who speaks of structure or origin is still trying to grasp what cannot be held, therefore still living as the seeker, not the seen.

What gives rise to all things does not come and go. It is not remembered, known, or experienced. It does not reveal itself as a moment or a peak. It simply is (unmoved, unchanging, untouched).

What shows up are the colors, sounds, bodies, skies, which is not denied. But to cling to them as “real” or “unreal” is to reduce what is alive into thought. Form doesn’t need defending. It doesn’t need concepts. It simply flows.

The trouble begins with the one who claims to see, to understand, to realize. That one, the “perceiver,” the “center” is the veil. When that false center dissolves, what remains is not a perception of truth, but the end of needing to perceive.

When that self is seen through, there’s no need to prove or protect anything.

There is just Being. And Being is silent fullness, which is with or without form.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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