Mellowmarsh

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@Wilhelm44 I just happen  to believe the journey can start anywhere. I also believe there’s nowhere that the journey cannot begin. Ultimately, I believe the destination is the exact same for every traveler anyway. So to me, every path leads to the same place, so it doesn’t matter how staggered the maze along the way gets, the ultimate destination is the same for everyone. A journey that begins ultimately will end. That’s a fact.

 

Mine ended. Now I’m just reflecting on the dream characters I met along the way, with admiration.

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2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

@Wilhelm44 I just happen  to believe the journey can start anywhere. I also believe there’s nowhere that the journey cannot begin. Ultimately, I believe the destination is the exact same for every traveler anyway. So to me, every path leads to the same place, so it doesn’t matter how staggered the maze along the way gets, the ultimate destination is the same for everyone. A journey that begins ultimately will end. That’s a fact.

 

Mine ended. Now I’m just reflecting on the dream characters I met along the way, with admiration.

I hear you, my point still remains, you did the work. This guy is saying there's no work to be done, which simply isn't true.

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7 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, my point still remains, you did the work. This guy is saying there's no work to be done, which simply isn't true.

I hear you too. But I interpret his saying there is no work to be done differently from you that’s all.

It’s different that’s all. In my humble opinion. It’s true there’s work to be done on the road to self actualisation. 
Is this truth real, or is this truth simply a truth dreamt or even imagined?

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5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I hear you too. But I interpret his saying there is no work to be done differently from you that’s all.

It’s different that’s all. In my humble opinion. It’s true there’s work to be done on the road to self actualisation. 
Is this truth real, or is this truth simply a truth dreamt or even imagined?

But you can say that about anything. Is the truth dreamed or imagined, that in order to get milk from the fridge, i need to walk to the fridge, open it, and take the milk out. These clever games dont change what needs to be done.

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4 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Leo Gura you know what kind of response your comment may evoke from Neo-Advaita keyboard warriors: God is already all there is .you can't get it wrong .there is no point for God to realize God. It's all God. Its all the Self .whether you realize God or take a shit or have a wet dream about Mia Khalifa etc It's all suchness/absolute/God/love doing what it does. 

You can't imagine how swallow your perception is. Same than all of those who claims that are enlightened because then don't think and feel love and those ideas. It's like being blind and thinking that there is nothing to see. And be absolutely stubborn that this is so 

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2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

My question is, how is this guy being helpful to someone starting out on their spiritual journey. You said yourself that you have done the work. This guy is basically telling people there is no work to be done. Im sure his teachings have their place and purpose. Im pointing out that these teachings can also be dangerous and misleading.

Those people are blind and they need to be absolutely sure that there is nothing to see, their self steem depends about being sure about that

 

 

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Leo Gura you know what kind of response your comment may evoke from Neo-Advaita keyboard warriors: God is already all there is .you can't get it wrong .there is no point for God to realize God. It's all God. Its all the Self .whether you realize God or take a shit or have a wet dream about Mia Khalifa etc It's all suchness/absolute/God/love doing what it does. 

You can't imagine how swallow your perception is. Same than all of those who claims that are enlightened because then don't think and feel love and those ideas. It's like being blind and thinking that there is nothing to see. And be absolutely stubborn that this is so 

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2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

My question is, how is this guy being helpful to someone starting out on their spiritual journey. You said yourself that you have done the work. This guy is basically telling people there is no work to be done. Im sure his teachings have their place and purpose. Im pointing out that these teachings can also be dangerous and misleading.

Those people are blind and they need to be absolutely sure that there is nothing to see, their self steem depends about being sure about that

 

 

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

@Leo Gura you know what kind of response your comment may evoke from Neo-Advaita keyboard warriors: God is already all there is .you can't get it wrong .there is no point for God to realize God. It's all God. Its all the Self .whether you realize God or take a shit or have a wet dream about Mia Khalifa etc It's all suchness/absolute/God/love doing what it does. 

You can't imagine how swallow your perception is. Same than all of those who claims that are enlightened because then don't think and feel love and those ideas. It's like being blind and thinking that there is nothing to see. And be absolutely stubborn that this is so 

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@Breakingthewall relax . I said that's what neo adavaita army will say like VeganAwake..Princess Arabia and James123. 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall relax . I said that's what neo adavaita army will say like VeganAwake..Princess Arabia and James123. 

It's frustrating reading obscurantism. People who need stupidity to be the human ceiling to feel safe, instead of raising their ceiling

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@Breakingthewall why are you calling it stupid stuff ? You can't see any value or validity at all to these kinds of teachings ? Live and let other live too. You are extremely intellectual and left-brained and you want reality to be slicied like a mathematical formula.   But People like those I mentioned are just sick and tired of life and just want to rest on the bed of the absolute .


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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41 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall why are you calling it stupid stuff ? You can't see any value or validity at all to these kinds of teachings ? Live and let other live too. You are extremely intellectual and left-brained and you want reality to be slicied like a mathematical formula.   But People like those I mentioned are just sick and tired of life and just want to rest on the bed of the absolute .

Opposite, I feel absolutely deep the reality and I translate into words. I just get bit frustrated reading low level mids, over all when they try to convince the others that low level is the highest level. It's crazy, but you are right, let them be. They are blind and they have the absolute need of believing that this is the top of realization. 

Anyway it's stupid to get frustrated, this is what it is. 

For example, yesterday I posted after 3 h meditation, from very deep clarity, and you quoted and answered 🤦🤦 

For me that's frustrating. But it's important forget that, the level is what it is , that's life.

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5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

These kind of teachings are stupid.

None of these people realize what God is.

You will never realize God listening to these fools.

Stop assuming they know God.

Serious yogis do not do decades of work for no reason. Just an ounce of common sense tells you that. These people have not done serious consciousness work so they don't even know what it is or why it is done. They think they can smartass their way out of it with some clever thinking.

This is spirituality by fools for fools.

My brother, I hear the fire in your words, and I know where it comes from, a deep thirst for what is real.

You can’t trust psychedelics to show you the truth, because what they offer are experiences and all experiences come and go. They may open temporary doors, reveal intense states, or even dissolve the sense of self for a moment, but the one who comes back to describe it is still the mind.

What psychedelics reveal is filtered through perception, memory, and interpretation. The mind quickly takes what happened and turns it into a story: “I saw,” “I became,” “I realized.” But the one claiming the experience is the very illusion that Being dissolves.

Psychedelics can shake the structure of identity, but they cannot give you what is already here before any substance, before any altered state, pure, Being.

Truth doesn’t depend on a chemical. It doesn’t need visions, voices, or cosmic journeys. It is not something gained, and so it cannot be taken. It is what remains when all chasing stops.

Letting go is the only real doorway.

Not through substances, not through visions, not through seeking.

but through the complete release of needing any of it.

What you truly are has never left.

The idea of “God realization” or “infinite consciousness” is often just another layer of illusion, another experience, another concept the mind grasps onto.

You might have a moment of vastness, a sense of dissolving into something infinite, or even visions of divine presence. But these too are experiences, which are temporary, shifting, filtered through mind and memory. They arise and pass, just like dreams.

And if it arises and passes, it’s not what You are.

The Truth, Being is not a grand realization, a peak state, or a spiritual identity. It doesn’t need a name like “God” or “infinite.” Those are ideas laid on top of what is already, simple, and ever-present.

When you’re no longer chasing experiences or trying to prove you’ve “found it,” when even the idea of “realization” is let go, what remains?

Just this. Presence. The stillness that never arrived, because it never left.

So don’t get trapped in the beauty or intensity of what seems infinite or god.

Even infinity or god is a concept appearing in mind. Even infinity or god is a concept appearing in mind.

Let go of it all. Visions, beliefs, goals, and spiritual labels.

What’s left is not something to realize.

Moreover, What you call “fools” and “wise” are masks placed by the mind.

Stop measuring paths.

Stop weighing worth.

Stop clinging to your idea of who deserves awakening.

Let all of it go.

And what remains…

is You.

It is what You already are.

Much Love.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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9 minutes ago, James123 said:

Even infinity or god is a concept appearing in mind. Even infinity or god is a concept appearing in mind.

It's ok that you demonize the perception because yours is swallow, then you resonate with teachings that forbidden perception and says that reality is just the perceiver, the stillness and the silence. Those people used to burn witches in the past , saying as you, much much love brotha I love you deep so so love iny sweet loving heart 💜 ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ but get lobotomized as me, as I can't see you shouldn't see.

Lova brotha, I love you so so much that it's crazy. Loveeeeee brotha AAA loveeeeeee loveeeeeee

 Oh oh brotha

Love

💕

Btw, you don't deceive anyone, it's so clear that you are full of ego and you are a violent person in deep. A castrator. 

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27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

For example, yesterday I posted after 3 h meditation, from very deep clarity, and you quoted and answered 🤦🤦 

It's weird that 3hr of meditation and you posted that physical nonsense.  Maybe you're meditating wrong .:P


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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Just now, Someone here said:

It's weird that 3hr of meditation and you posted that physical nonsense.  Maybe you're meditating wrong .:P

No, I do right, maybe I don't explain as well as I want or maybe you don't get what I try to communicate. Anyway, it's very stupid get triggered by comments here, shame 😅

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10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's ok that you demonize the perception because yours is swallow, then you resonate with teachings that forbidden perception and says that reality is just the perceiver, the stillness and the silence. Those people used to burn witches in the past , saying as you, much much love brotha I love you deep so so love iny sweet loving heart 💜 ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ but get lobotomized as me, as I can't see you shouldn't see.

Lova brotha, I love you so so much that it's crazy. Loveeeeee brotha AAA loveeeeeee loveeeeeee

 Oh oh brotha

Love

💕

Btw, you don't deceive anyone, it's so clear that you are full of ego and you are a violent person in deep. A castrator. 

Your perception arises from the sense of “you,” the individual self, which is itself the greatest illusion. This “you” is the source of all perceptions, judgments, and interpretations, which, including ideas like God or infinite realization. These concepts belong to the self because they are created and held within the mind’s framework.

Being, however, is not identified with this separate self or its concepts. It is the fundamental reality that underlies and transcends all personal experiences and mental constructs.

Much love.


"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

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36 minutes ago, James123 said:

Your perception arises from the sense of “you,” the individual self, which is itself the greatest illusion. This “you” is the source of all perceptions, judgments, and interpretations, which, including ideas like God or infinite realization. These concepts belong to the self because they are created and held within the mind’s framework.

Being, however, is not identified with this separate self or its concepts. It is the fundamental reality that underlies and transcends all personal experiences and mental constructs.

Much love.

I know that for you perception is false , like if a mischievous Little demon playful is creating it for any reason but the perception is absolutely real.

Then, who convinced you that perception is created by some demon to deceive you? Perception is just the perception of the existence that's the manifestation of the reality. Then, you can perceive the reality, and maybe love it, not fake love, but real. Just try. The only problem is that deep perception is not so easy than Lobotomization 

Pd: You don't need to say love always because seems that you proclaim so much because your feeling in deep is precisely the opposite . Seems that you want to castrate the minds, same an fundamentalist Muslim os Christian. Not love but hate. 

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@James123 

Let's see if I can explain : Reality is the source and the manifestation; both are the same reality, but enlightenment is the openness to the source. It's one thing to realize the structure of reality, and another to realize its source. the source, the absolute openness, the limitlessness from which everything arises, cannot be remembered. It is neither experience nor knowledge; when the structure closes, it disappears completely, leaving nothing but a mute intuition of its presence. This doesn't mean that the manifestation of reality is unreal; it is absolutely real, and to truly perceive it, in all its depth, is to see the absolute glory of reality.

Denying the form is crazy, the form is the manifestation of the reality, how could it be otherwise? Those who says that form is unreal is because they are closed in their closets. Prisoners of the center, the perceptor 

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7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@James123 

Let's see if I can explain : Reality is the source and the manifestation; both are the same reality, but enlightenment is the openness to the source. It's one thing to realize the structure of reality, and another to realize its source. the source, the absolute openness, the limitlessness from which everything arises, cannot be remembered. It is neither experience nor knowledge; when the structure closes, it disappears completely, leaving nothing but a mute intuition of its presence. This doesn't mean that the manifestation of reality is unreal; it is absolutely real, and to truly perceive it, in all its depth, is to see the absolute glory of reality.

Denying the form is crazy, the form is the manifestation of the reality, how could it be otherwise? Those who says that form is unreal is because they are closed in their closets. Prisoners of the center, the perceptor 

Form is not real in the sense that it's not permanent. What's real is You.

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