How to prepare to mitigate the negative consequences of a potential bad trip?

[Whoami3]

I've had 15-20 trips on LSD analogs over past years. These were mostly low to medium doses.
Experiences were usually positive, but it happened 2–3 times that I was scared and went into a negative thought loop for a short time. I mostly did trips alone in my apartment, few times with some friends - I felt more safe there so I took higher doses and had much richer experiences (mainly visual or other senses. I was never anywhere near ego death). The best experience I had, was when I was in nature and everything felt so beautiful and magical, but still I don't think it changed me in any way. 
Now I am at the point that taking a low dose of LSD makes no sense for me because it's neither entertaining nor beneficial for self-help. I could take high dose to have some life-transforming experience, but I am afraid of some outcomes of bad trip. Even if I do it in a safe place with good set and settings, I could get crazy, do something stupid or be left with some long-lasting trauma or psychosis afterward. At this moment, I don't have option to have a trip sitter.

How to prepare to mitigate the negative consequences of a potential bad trip?

[Aaron p]

Get some instant release antipsychotics like olanzapine. These are trip killers. If it starts to go in a negative direction, pop an olanzapine and you'll be out of the trip in less than an hour. Also don't trip if your in a bad place mentally or physically. You need to have a nice, safe launch pad. You can also combine mdma with psychedelics to guarantee a good trip. But be careful, mdma is addictive and notoriously impure. If you were to combine mdma with 5meo (which is what some of Martin balls 5meo facilitator friends have done hundreds of times with amazing results at removing all fear) and there turns out to be an adulterant in the mdma (speed, or meth, or heroin) your fucked. By fucked I mean you could die literally. So just be careful with the combos and do extensive research and testing on the combos. 

Also don't use mdma with LSD unless you have a plan to redose at the 6 hour mark, you don't want to have an mdma comedown half way through your 12 hour LSD trip. Personally your best bet is carefully tested mdma+shrooms or carefully tested mdma+ AL-LAD (it lasts only 6 hours).

Although I really think phenethyalamines are best; 2-CX analogues (like 2-CB) or mescaline. These are reported to be much gentler. Fear isn't useful when tripping, I see no reason to dogmatically cling to the idea that you need to play big balls and not mitigate psychedelic fear when the option is available. 

(Even with these precautionary measures in place, it's pretty guaranteed that at some point you're going to experience negative consequences eventually with psychedelics... Play this I mean some form of fear or perhaps a spiritual emergency. It'll be significantly lessened if you take some of these measures but not removed... Probably. One of the best analogies I have ever generated is the weight lifting analogy. Relation to what you've called "negative consequences" (fear, terror, possible induction of a traumatic experience) you need to develop the intuitive ability to discern and differentiate good pain from bad pain. As I've described you're essentially guaranteed to experience pain join the enlightenment journey, especially with Powerful psychedelics. So what is your job to be careful to know when you're going too far in the wrong direction. Like lifting a heavy weight in the gym... You want to experience the pain of the micro tissues in the muscle breaking down in preparation for building up stronger and increasing the size of your bicep, however you want to know when to stop immediately if you feel a twinge (the muscle tearing, or maybe you're pulling a muscle). This differentiation you can only be skillfully and intuitively determined and discerned by you.)

 

Bonus: it sounds like you might be struggling with some kind of energetic problem with your lack of motivation. Maybe move country? You could also check out to see if there's any psychedelic assisted therapy centers near you... Incredibly, because a lot of the psychedelic assisted therapy centers are still very new there's a high chance that you could get psychedelic assisted therapy from a trained professional for free if it is still in the clinical trials phase. In fact they might end up paying you. Just something to keep in mind 🤷🏽‍♂️

Edited Thursday at 11:28 PM by Aaron p

[Whoami3]

Thanks for your long reply.

I only have access to some 1p-lsd and maybe shrooms in future. 

I know about some therapy center in my country that uses ketamine but they require to have proof that you were already treated with some "classic" drugs like ssri's and they didn't help. I don't even think I am depressed and should take those drugs.

Might doing some spiritual work like meditation help? Many years ago when I first watched actualised.org I was quite serious about it and meditated every day but lost motivation after few months, maybe a year when I realised nothing is really changing. I was doing "do nothing" technique. Maybe I was doing it wrong or maybe I should do some focus-based technique.

[Aaron p]

12 minutes ago, Whoami3 said:

Thanks for your long reply.

Pleasure. @Whoami3

12 minutes ago, Whoami3 said:

Might doing some spiritual work like meditation help? Many years ago when I first watched actualised.org I was quite serious about it and meditated every day but lost motivation after few months, maybe a year when I realised nothing is really changing. I was doing "do nothing" technique. Maybe I was doing it wrong or maybe I should do some focus-based technique.

I have no idea about your life situation so I can't speak. I'm getting a small inkling (that could easily be mega wrong) that your using drugs for the sake of it without actually understanding why your doing it. If you have a half baked, sort of whimsical idea as to why your doing it, it'll taint everything else and make it hard to skilfully navigate this terrain, especially considering how abstract it can get.

If this is the case my best word of wisdom would be to place a significant amount of your focus and energy on developing radical clarity and self honesty on the why of your motivation. And try to avoid quick one liners like "to heal" or "to get enlightened." 

Establishing unrelenting clarity on the why behind all of this is a must have insight. Is this something you've thought about before?

Edited Friday at 01:04 AM by Aaron p

[Whoami3]

@Aaron p
hmm, it might be kind of like you said - I don't have clear intention. Usually during the trip I just sit and observe what happens. Sometimes I also contemplate on problems that I have in life (lack of motivation in job, low self-esteem, lack of discipline in eating and exercising, non-existing romantic relationships) or go for a walk.
I often get bored and then I do something on computer like watching YouTube (It is my big addiction). Sometimes in the peak of the trip when I sit for too long I observe my thoughts going in some scary direction and learned by my past negative experiences I change something, I move to another room or go to watch something on computer.
Why am I doing it (taking psychedelics)? I think I expect that during the trip some insight will come up that will help me solve my problems, but to be fair another big reason is also for fun and to experience something beautiful.

Edited Friday at 02:06 AM by Whoami3

[Rigel]

Negative thought loops are crazy interesting to me but I understand how that’s an acquired taste. They are unpleasant but still interesting. If you can keep yourself from doing dumb shit with your physical body you should be fine. Don’t take massive doses as well is pretty obvious advice. As I see it, you gotta accept that if bad trip happens, bad trip happens & that’s that. Resistance just makes it more likely to happen & harder to deal with.

[Aaron p]

16 hours ago, Whoami3 said:

it might be kind of like you said - I don't have clear intention.

Ok so this is a good practise to get into, with spirituality and in pretty much every situation in life. Not to say that you need to have a hard and fast action plan with 34 steps and know exactly what your going to do to get to a desired end goal or outcome...but it's really powerful to always have the end in mind right at the start. Know what your doing and why.

Do nothing meditation is cool, but you *need to know why your doing it. Try not to float aimlessly in life. Always have *some kind of plan with a clear desired result. Your not alone here btw, I used to frequently find myself in meditation and after half an hour of sitting quietly I think..."what the fuck am I doing?" Not to say that do nothing isn't good, it'll quiet your mind...but it'll lack power.

17 hours ago, Aaron p said:

Sometimes I also contemplate on problems that I have in life (lack of motivation in job, low self-esteem, lack of discipline in eating and exercising, non-existing romantic relationships) or go for a walk.

I often get bored and then I do something on computer like watching YouTube (It is my big addiction). 

Psycs can help with throwing you into a state where change is demanded and you can formulate creative solutions to problems...but just be aware that you really need to have a super stable and establish base for solid tripping. Remember, psychedelics will still tinker with your neurochemistry and that's what governs things like self esteem and motivation. The last thing you want to do is to accidentally induce more psychological instability or dysregulation. You could end up fucking yourself up more. Young brains need to be handled with care.

16 hours ago, Whoami3 said:

Why am I doing it (taking psychedelics)? I think I expect that during the trip some insight will come up that will help me solve my problems, but to be fair another big reason is also for fun and to experience something beautiful.

Ok so recreation. It's ok to be honest about this. Fun and beauty is fine, but don't tell yourself it's for self improvement if it's really about fun and beauty. Drugs won't replace years of dedicated focus and strategically investigating how to constantly adjust your self improvement methods until you eventually force a checkmate on some of your real world problems. Stay with us here in this community...Leo's content is fabulous. And free

All of us here help eachother grow and develop. I'm not taking psychedelics atm, I used them irresponsibly. Making posts like this is actually partly what I do to help me process my own mature approach to chems. You will become a juggernaut if you focus on the sober exercises. Somatic healing techniques (see Leo's ep on holotropic breath work). I trip only very occasionally now. Don't do what Leo did with psycs, he makes regular juggernauts look like my guinea pig, squeak. Think about waiting till your older for hardcore tripping. Not to say you can't trip now, but you should join the actualised movement and learn mysticism theory. If you like this kind of flavour, who knows, maybe with a slower, more paced and calculated approach, you could make significant progress towards enlightenment.

Edited Friday at 06:24 PM by Aaron p

[Whoami3]

I am not that young. I am 34 years old
Ok, So I will try to build mediation habit first. I already did 10 minutes of focusing on breath today. Although I have little hope of keeping this habit, just as I have given up other habits in the past.

[OBEler]

@Aaron p "and there turns out to be an adulterant in the mdma (speed, or meth, or heroin) your fucked. By fucked I mean you could die literally."

That's not true. 5 Meo and heroin or speed/meth is not a deadly combination at all. Not that I recommend that of course, just want to say. So if your MDMA contains one of these substances , which is very rare if you take crystal MDMA, and combine that with 5 Meo DMT, you will not die from that.

Edited Friday at 07:10 PM by OBEler

[Aaron p]

2 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Aaron p "and there turns out to be an adulterant in the mdma (speed, or meth, or heroin) your fucked. By fucked I mean you could die literally."

That's not true. 5 Meo and heroin or speed/meth is not a deadly combination at all. Not that I recommend that of course, just want to say. So if your MDMA contains one of these substances , which is very rare if you take crystal MDMA, and combine that with 5 Meo DMT, you will not die from that.

Oh shit your right, hell, you can combine a lot with 5meo. Looks like its only deadly if you combine with SSRI's or MAOI's. amphetamines and cocaine are still labelled an "unsafe" rating. Man Im super super pumped to try the mdma+5meo combo. 

I know we already know this one, but for comprehensivity sake; there are multiple 5meo combo rankings.

1. Low risk & synergy

2. Low risk & decrease 

3. Caution

4. Unsafe

5. Highly dangerous 

And 6. Serotonin Syndrome (risking death)

 

Mdma + 5meo is a level 3 "caution". I think I recall that they potentiate eachother though so maybe lower the dose the first time from both..?

Ketamine is even safer, a level 1 rank. 

Fucking pumped.

 

Edited Friday at 09:41 PM by Aaron p

[OBEler]

@Aaron p don't take this chart for the holy Grail. It's just a chart. Better research on your own what works and what not.

[Aaron p]

4 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Aaron p don't take this chart for the holy Grail. It's just a chart. Better research on your own what works and what not.

@OBEler plenty of time for extra research, won't be doing it for a while

[Aaron p]

20 hours ago, Whoami3 said:

I am not that young. I am 34 years old
Ok, So I will try to build mediation habit first. I already did 10 minutes of focusing on breath today. Although I have little hope of keeping this habit, just as I have given up other habits in the past.

Still pretty young. Once again we have no idea what your situation is, so it would have to be you to consider all of these points and make them coherent in your own mind. You've got a bit of time? Just sit with some relaxing chill music and contemplate on what you actually want from life. It can be an experience of enjoyment and love felt deep in your stomach as you just sit and visualise and ponder the fact that the entire earth is at your finger tips and there is nothing you cannot do. Granted you'll need to work for it, but focus on what makes you feel fulfilled. Really man, you should fuck with life purpose and Leo's foundational material if your noticing these kinds of issues like self esteem. You need to lay a proper foundation. I'm realising this more than ever myself