Can a psychedelic trip reveal Truth in a non-communicational instant ?

[Someone here]

At this point of my "development " I'm sorry but I have to reject all spirituality and all philosophy.  No amount of theorising and philosophising can actually satisfy my  existential curiosity. It's not that I'm the most on of a kind  person or the biggest smart ass ever and that people like Leo ..Sadhguru..Buddha..Einstein..Kant and whoever else are ignorant fools or are not seeing what I'm seeing..obviously not .it's  simply that I had the most vivid dream in my entire life yesterday's night .no exaggerating..literally the most impactful vivid crystal clear HD or 4K dream I've ever had . The details of the dream don't matter. But I woke up very annoyed and pissed off .like I was literally in a place ..in time ..there was actual people..actual objects..actual events ..actual sensations. And my consciousness inside the dream was sharp like a razor.  It is literally equivalent to the "real world ". I know I'm going to repeat myself right now..because I made threads before about both worlds (dream &awake). But like..how is this even possible?  How can you be asleep in your bed completely and out of the blue you are simultaneously slaying demons and and landing on the moon ????

To get to the point ..this was a life changing experience for me . All of my epistemology is being flushed down the toilet .

I wonder ..is there a way to get to Absolute Truth in such a way that Transcends all words ..logic ..common sense and common nonsense... and everything that we all have heard about a million times yet we deep down know it's not "it "??

Can a breakthrough on a powerful Psychedelic actually get you there ? Because Leo has hundreds of trips under his belt and he is still saying things like "surrender to the mystery "? What?!

[Breakingthewall]

The truth is absence of limits, then yes, a psychedelic can break your limits, but the most common is that your mind avoid it creating other limits apparently wider

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The truth is absence of limits, then yes, a psychedelic can break your limits, but the most common is that your mind avoid it creating other limits apparently wider

OK thanks . 

1-truth is absence of limitation. 

2-a psychedelic can melt your fucking brain into Soy mush .

2- the "proplem"..if I'm reading you right ..is that the trip ends and your conceptual mind tries to make sense of the unlimited and put it in a box or turn truth into a statement. And obviously truth is not a statement that can be written in some holy book.

So what does that mean ?

[James123]

18 minutes ago, Someone here said:

At this point of my "development " I'm sorry but I have to reject all spirituality and all philosophy.  No amount of theorising and philosophising can actually satisfy my  existential curiosity. It's not that I'm the most on of a kind  person or the biggest smart ass ever and that people like Leo ..Sadhguru..Buddha..Einstein..Kant and whoever else are ignorant fools or are not seeing what I'm seeing..obviously not .it's  simply that I had the most vivid dream in my entire life yesterday's night .no exaggerating..literally the most impactful vivid crystal clear HD or 4K dream I've ever had . The details of the dream don't matter. But I woke up very annoyed and pissed off .like I was literally in a place ..in time ..there was actual people..actual objects..actual events ..actual sensations. And my consciousness inside the dream was sharp like a razor.  It is literally equivalent to the "real world ". I know I'm going to repeat myself right now..because I made threads before about both worlds (dream &awake). But like..how is this even possible?  How can you be asleep in your bed completely and out of the blue you are simultaneously slaying demons and and landing on the moon ????

To get to the point ..this was a life changing experience for me . All of my epistemology is being flushed down the toilet .

I wonder ..is there a way to get to Absolute Truth in such a way that Transcends all words ..logic ..common sense and common nonsense... and everything that we all have heard about a million times yet we deep down know it's not "it "??

Can a breakthrough on a powerful Psychedelic actually get you there ? Because Leo has hundreds of trips under his belt and he is still saying things like "surrender to the mystery "? What?!

Any experience is not the absolutely true. Truth is absolutely true in any stage of consciousness or so called universe. 

Before so called birth, life, or after death, past, future or now, what makes it all connected?

Answer is thoughtssness. İf one is not attached to thinking, all becomes one.

[Nemra]

All I can say for now is that after a few mild experiences, I remain amazed at the existence of anything. It brings tears to my eyes.

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

Any experience is not the absolutely true. Truth is absolutely true in any stage of consciousness or so called universe. 

Before so called birth, life, or after death, past, future or now, what makes it all connected?

Answer is thoughtssness. İf one is not attached to thinking, all becomes one.

Would you say it can't be gained nor lost ? It's just there and you don’t need to get it. 

That's still trying to put it in a box .

See what I'm saying? 

[Someone here]

15 minutes ago, Nemra said:

All I can say for now is that after a few mild experiences, I remain amazed at the existence of anything. It brings tears to my eyes.

So what are you going to do dude ? Remain amazed for your entire life and die without knowing who the fuck are you like a bit**?

😂 

Edited yesterday at 01:20 PM by Someone here

[James123]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Would you say it can't be gained nor lost ? It's just there and you don’t need to get it. 

That's still trying to put it in a box .

See what I'm saying? 

Consciousness is You.

İt can't be lost nor gained. Because, it is already you.

Only, in order to Be, you just have to let go all the gain / weight that you had learned since your birth, including the birth. Therefore, any attachments.

Edited yesterday at 01:17 PM by James123

[Nemra]

20 minutes ago, Someone here said:

So what are you going to do dude ? Remain amazed for your entire life and die without knowing who whe fuck are you like a bit**?

😂 

I haven't said I don't want to know. However, there seems to be a never-ending mystery.

It would be wise of you to take psychedelics, then talk.

Your macho attitude will melt away.

Edited yesterday at 01:34 PM by Nemra

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

the "proplem"..if I'm reading you right ..is that the trip ends and your conceptual mind tries to make sense of the unlimited and put it in a box or turn truth into a statement. And obviously truth is not a statement that can be written in some holy book.

So what does that mean ?

Means that if you are smart enough your intuition will tell you that "enlightenment," or whatever you want to call it, is the absence of limits itself, not any "realization" you may have, since that realization occurs within the confines of your current structure. Openenss means perceive yourself absolutely unlimited, that implies everything. The total clarity of what you are. 

At first, you will try to remember it and may fall into delusions, but there will be a voice that whispers to you: "Don't fool yourself, idiot, don't you see that's a history?" At a certain point, you will begin to perceive the limitation as a serious nuisance, so you will begin to make energetic and conceptual adjustments to be able to open your structure more easily.

The problem with psychedelics is that you are very "high," so everything is confusing, except for a few moments of clarity. You may intuit that this moment is what points to liberation, or maybe not; your ego may be stronger and you prefer to remain in circular narratives, seemingly unlimited but with limits, center. It is a long process, but perhaps it will be easy for you, perhaps not. I would say that you have enough foundation and enough skepticism to be able to enter into swampy terrain.

In some point, you will be in absolute openess, total clarity, one with the total, in some moments being sober, and other moments not so. But if you are smart enough you won't construct narratives about the absolute. You can be the absolute, in the sense that don't be lost in the form, or not. You can't think in the absolute from the form, it's nonsense. You can think in the structure of the form that closes, but not in the openess 

Edited yesterday at 01:59 PM by Breakingthewall

[Someone here]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Means that if you are smart enough your intuition will tell you that "enlightenment," or whatever you want to call it, is the absence of limits itself, not any "realization" you may have, since that realization occurs within the confines of your current structure. Openenss means perceive yourself absolutely unlimited, that implies everything. The total clarity of what you are. 

I get that dude . The unlimited cannot be explained in the limited . Because the part cannot grasp the whole .yet simultaneously the part is the whole by virtue of it being made of the same substance.  Easy peasy.

I'm guessing this is the punchline..no truth cannot be limited to a psychedelic experience since a psychedelic experience is occurring within truth .

Good day sir 🍻

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I'm guessing this is the punchline..no truth cannot be limited to a psychedelic experience since a psychedelic experience is occurring within truth .

you are the truth, but that fact is veiled by the limits of the form. the absolute is always manifested in a form, because "manifested"=form=always.

you could be open to your unlimited nature or not. its just a matter of perception, the nature is the same, but to clean your perception you have to equalize your structure with the unlimited. call it purification of anything. then your structure is transparent and you perceive yourself as the unlimited. its what you are, then it's totally possible to do it. but the human form has a lot of opacity, it is not an easy work to clean it.

If you do a big dose of psychedelic its like a gesture, it means that you offer your structure, that you accept the dissolution. This does not guarantee anything but it is an undoubted step

 

[Leo Gura]

Dude, what are you talking about?

I explained all this, and so do many other teachers.

Everything is your dream.

Stop acting too cool for school.

Infinity is an infinite mystery, yes.

Edited 23 hours ago by Leo Gura

[James123]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, what are you talking about?

I explained all this, and so do many other teachers.

Everything is your dream.

Stop acting too cool for school.

Infinity is an infinite mystery, yes.

I am very sorry to interrupt, however, I have a question.

Before birth or deep sleep is a concept. Therefore ,"Not the thinking of before birth or deep sleep", however, in that moment "before birth or deep sleep", why there is no experience or non experiencing, belief, think, God, nothing, mind infinite, existence or non existence etc...?

Maybe, that's what You really are is 😊 

Edited 23 hours ago by James123

[Someone here]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, what are you talking about?

I explained all this, and so do many other teachers.

Everything is your dream.

Stop acting too cool for school.

Infinity is an infinite mystery, yes.

Yes Leo you have detailed videos about everything I said .   I'm trying to have a healthy discussion. 

It is just baffling sometimes..it really is .

All I care about right now is less philosophical masturbation and  listening to baba Leo and more getting em dam hallucinogens. 

 

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

more getting em dam hallucinogens.

Aren't they illegal in India?

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

Aren't they illegal in India?

Then fuck India   a ticket to Peru is worth the money .

[Nemra]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Then fuck India   a ticket to Peru is worth the money .

That's the attitude!

And if you have some time and energy, and if finding the equipment and the materials don't become too complicated, then you can extract some DMT.

It's really worth it.

The extraction process is really rewarding.

Edited 23 hours ago by Nemra

[Someone here]

26 minutes ago, James123 said:

I am very sorry to interrupt, however, I have a question.

Before birth or deep sleep is a concept. Therefore ,"Not the thinking of before birth or deep sleep", however, in that moment "before birth or deep sleep", why there is no experience or non experiencing, belief, think, God, nothing, mind infinite, existence or non existence etc...?

Maybe, that's what You really are is 😊 

What's the logic here ? There seems to be nothing going on during deep sleep then that's what you really are? Why ? Why not right now when something is going on? Or both ?or neither ? Brother you need to listen more to Leo and be more mentally flexible and less one-dimensional.

 stop listening to Papaji and Osho and the like . Even though I'm willing to bet they too don't exclude somethingness from your identity. You're not just nothing .you're aslo something. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Someone here

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Nemra said:

That's the attitude!

And if you have some time and energy, and if finding the equipment and the materials don't become too complicated, then you can extract some DMT.

It's really worth it.

The extraction process is really rewarding.

Sounds interesting.  Tell me more about this in private.