Reason Why Enlightenment is Difficult for you and if happened what is waiting

[James123]

6 minutes ago, kbone said:

I did not think Turkiye!! 

My wife and I have ALWAYS been amazed by so many aspects of your country and have always wanted to visit there! 😍😎

Much love to you and yours, Brother 🤟🏼

Please let me know if you visit here my brother.

Much love and respect to you and your family. ❤️ 

Best Regards, 

[kbone]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Please let me know if you visit here my brother.

Much love and respect to you and your family. ❤️ 

Best Regards, 

Teşekkür ederim kardeşim

Kardeşçe kucaklaşma 🤗🫂

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, kbone said:

There was a temple in Kyoto in which the Japanese version of the Ox Herding pictures were housed. I used to collect calligraphy from the various temples I visited, and I got the drawings that day also. I was not mature at all, and it took me a while to intuit what they referred to, of course. In a way, they were part of my entry into the great adventure, as was Zen, but the mountains were my favorite 'teachers'. I would have been absolutely hopeless as a monk, hehe. 

So beautiful. I'm falling in love. O my god. You are so amazing 😍 

Narcissistic on fire. 

I can't avoid interacting with you my vampires, it's addictive

Edited Tuesday at 01:04 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, James123 said:

Yes, I moved back to my country. Spanish? 😊 When? 😊 

I'm Spanish, I spoke with you in Spanish a couple of years ago, javfly also. Shame you forgot. Maybe you changed your spirit for a Turkish Sufi master

[kbone]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So beautiful. I'm falling in love. O my god. You are so amazing 😍 

Narcissistic on fire. 

I can't avoid interacting with you my vampires, it's addictive

I don't hate the story any more, though I used to.

I do hope you find peace beyond the trauma, my brother.

We're all anonymous here, and I ain't selling nothing.

Don't believe me. Don't search. FIND!!!!

I do love you as part of this life, and I take full responsibility for having been honest. I'll tell my super strong wife/best friend of 25 years and my brothers who have been my other best friends for 56 years that you think I'm a raging narcissist. If I could, I would tell all the people who have trusted me and worked long hours with no pay in my profession, trying our best to improve educational standards around the world. They might be interested to know.

I guess this means you hate the words I've shared. Welp, OK. If you want to carry on trashing a fellow message board member, welp, OK. I won't stop you. It needs to come out somehow. At some point, there's no hiding it anyway. Better that it's worked out here.

[Breakingthewall]

@kbone I just perceive that you are a real narcissist, same than james. People absolutely focused in their self images that mix some true stories with lies and when they say : I love you brother 💘, they mean the opposite. Passive aggressive behavior, wounded ego, need of construct a beautiful self image . The problem with spirituality is that a lot of those vampires find a place to seduce weak people, that's why spirituality is so false. 

I shouldn't waste my time with people like you because it's bad energy, but same time it's a teach because it's extremely important to identify those behaviors anywhere as fast as possible. A lot of people have a bit of that, but only some are full immersed in it. Very toxic and dangerous if you are ignorant 

[kbone]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@kbone I just perceive that you are a real narcissist, same than james. People absolutely focused in their self images that mix some true stories with lies and when they say : I love you brother 💘, they mean the opposite. Passive aggressive behavior, wounded ego, need of construct a beautiful self image . The problem with spirituality is that a lot of those vampires find a place to seduce weak people, that's why spirituality is so false. 

I shouldn't waste my time with people like you because it's bad energy, but same time it's a teach because it's extremely important to identify those behaviors anywhere as fast as possible. A lot of people have a bit of that, but only some are full immersed in it. Very toxic and dangerous if you are ignorant 

Yes, it is very good to not want peeps to fall into the traps that narcissists use ensnare their targets for use, abuse, and refuse. Two of my brothers married into families full of them, and paid the price dearly, as have their children. This is another thing I agree with you on; narcissism is indeed rampant in modern society, especially with all the online activity people are involved in. I typically avoid those situations, as well.

I am sorry you see me that way. If you could, in order to use me as a good model for the narcissistic vampire you see me as, could you put together a few toxic quotes that I have written to you in the contexts we have shared that made you feel so abused? Perhaps, I took your persona as being a forceful one and fully intent on breaking the walls, and went too far somewhere that caused you to be so hurt and/or angry. Maybe I was just wrong about the context, or something. Not really sure. That goes for anyone else, also, if I have indeed stepped over the line with you. It might help us all to understand the kind of monster that I supposedly am.

I'll refrain from any salutations as they can be perceived as anything at this point.

[James123]

51 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm Spanish, I spoke with you in Spanish a couple of years ago, javfly also. Shame you forgot. Maybe you changed your spirit for a Turkish Sufi master

I just know in Spanish "mucho Frio oie" lol.

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, kbone said:

Yes, it is very good to not want peeps to fall into the traps that narcissists use ensnare their targets for use, abuse, and refuse. Two of my brothers married into families full of them, and paid the price dearly, as have their children. This is another thing I agree with you on; narcissism is indeed rampant in modern society, especially with all the online activity people are involved in. I typically avoid those situations, as well.

I am sorry you see me that way. If you could, in order to use me as a good model for the narcissistic vampire you see me as, could you put together a few toxic quotes that I have written to you in the contexts we have shared that made you feel so abused? Perhaps, I took your persona as being a forceful one and fully intent on breaking the walls, and went too far somewhere that caused you to be so hurt and/or angry. Maybe I was just wrong about the context, or something. Not really sure. That goes for anyone else, also, if I have indeed stepped over the line with you. It might help us all to understand the kind of monster that I supposedly am.

I'll refrain from any salutations as they can be perceived as anything at this point.

All of your speech has the smell of the Subtle self-affirmation, whereby you very subtly try to put down your "opponent." except when you want to make an "ally". Perhaps you aren't aware of it. You've already mentioned that your siblings failed in their marriages, unlike you, who succeeded. In all your interactions, you subtly position yourself above. You're not obvious like James, who is a fun archetype of the narcissistic guru wannabe. You're much more experienced and intelligent, and are capable of sometimes letting your narcissism down so that your opponent lowers their guard. All of these strategies are created naturally over a long period of relational dynamics.

You can't fool me for a moment, so I interact with you as a game, the same as with James. I know you're completely impervious to what anyone says because you see everything as competition (even if you're not aware of it), but conversation creates a picture that anyone with any vision can see and read, and thus understand how wounded egos work, needing to absorb energy from other egos and unable to connect in a real way.

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:21 PM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

39 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I love you brother 💘

How do you know the way that I telling you that I love you? Do you see my facial expression? Or you just imagine?

[James123]

59 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So beautiful. I'm falling in love. O my god. You are so amazing 😍 

Narcissistic on fire. 

I can't avoid interacting with you my vampires, it's addictive

I just know in Spanish "mucho Frio oie" lol.

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

How do you know the way that I telling you that I love you? Do you see my facial expression? Or you just imagine?

Because it's obvious. Every time you talk to someone, your attitude is competition . You try to cut off their outlets with arguments unrelated to the conversation. You present a conceptual framework, and when the other person refutes it, you tell them that what they've said are just concepts and that they should stop thinking.

When the other person refutes you again you tell them they're suffering and that you're sorry, that you wish they'd stop suffering. And when you have no other options, you say: "I love you, brother.💘"

All of this is absolutely sterile. Your only real goal is to see yourself as a guru and for others to perceive you as such. It's clear that you're upset and irritated, but you repress it because you think a guru should display equanimity. You repeat many times that you are enlightened. But anyone who isn't blind can see right through these games

Edited Tuesday at 02:16 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@kbone another detail. How many words have you written in this forum? Quite a few, right? Very long posts. A question for anyone who participates here and reads the messages. What have you said? Have you said anything? I mean, besides that, you've meditated in the Himalayas, that your brothers are losers and you are a winner, and that you've visited Japanese temples and convoluted messages in which you try to show off your spiritual erudition. Anything concrete that anyone remembers? Nothing. Everything revolves around you or confronting others. It's extremely easy to see right through you.  a game.

[UnbornTao]

Stay on topic, guys.

@Breakingthewall Calm down.

[Breakingthewall]

35 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Stay on topic, guys.

@Breakingthewall Calm down.

I just did an objective analysis, as they ask . I hope it can be helpful .

In my opinion spirituality is very serious topic , then I think that wannabe narcissist gurus should be revealed. If you think I'm too anything, just tell me, but imo I'm in the correct balance between passive and aggressive. Just pointing what's true

Edited Tuesday at 04:16 PM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Because it's obvious. Every time you talk to someone, your attitude is competition . You try to cut off their outlets with arguments unrelated to the conversation. You present a conceptual framework, and when the other person refutes it, you tell them that what they've said are just concepts and that they should stop thinking.

İnstead of having fun, why should I have competition? We are not special man, we are all going to die. I tell them stop thinking because that's what the Truth is.

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

When the other person refutes you again you tell them they're suffering and that you're sorry, that you wish they'd stop suffering. And when you have no other options, you say: "I love you, brother.💘"

Aren't you the one who is always imagining the bad (for you) situations? That's a sign of suffering. Do you want me to lie to you? And instead of saying f... off, isn't better to say I love you without any expectation?

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

All of this is absolutely sterile. Your only real goal is to see yourself as a guru and for others to perceive you as such. It's clear that you're upset and irritated, but you repress it because you think a guru should display equanimity. You repeat many times that you are enlightened. But anyone who isn't blind can see right through these games

I am literally fucking nothing and have nothing. Hadn't shop for years, I own nothing, nothing belongs to me or etc... Do you think that I am trying to impress people to fullfil the self? 😊 Are you really thinking that? 😊 

Moreover, the self who is attach with body and mind can not be enlightened. That person must be dropped to be enlightened. İf the person is dropped, how can one claims to be enlightened? 

I am just saying that I live by moment to moment, therefore free from attachments, including enlightenment, God, body, mind, etc... And this is not being special, it is being completely opposite of being special. İt is just what Real Me is. That's all about it.

[Breakingthewall]

@James123 you have convinced me, you are like Jesus, Buddha and Ramakrishna united in one super sayan mystical saint who lies in every word that he says. Enjoy the ego trip. 

I know that for you is very important acting as an enlightened being, but sometimes you could behave natural, it's liberating. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:17 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

This thread 😂😂😂😂

[UnbornTao]

@Breakingthewall Maybe, just stay on topic. @James123

You guys should make a thread on romantic relationship issues.  

[James123]

46 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@James123 you have convinced me, you are like Jesus, Buddha and Ramakrishna united in one super sayan mystical saint who lies in every word that he says. Enjoy the ego trip. 

I know that for you is very important acting as an enlightened being, but sometimes you could behave natural, it's liberating. 

Life has just so many variables brother, trying to hold on them is so heavy, so much suffering. I tried tried and tried to control, nothing went the way that I had expected. I couldn't take it anymore, I just couldn't. And I let go. 

8 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Breakingthewall Maybe, just stay on topic. @James123

You guys should make a thread on romantic relationship issues.  

Definitely man 😊 we already have the romantic relationship. Thread will be easy 😊