End of Spirituality is;

[James123]

7 hours ago, SOUL said:

So if it's mind chatter or emotions or ego or suffering or whatever one would say is the condition that keeps them from it, is what keeps them from it. Without placing that condition in the way it isn't in the way, it doesn't serve as the obstacle that separates.

It is also the same with suggesting there is only one way or some specific circumstances to be it, then it is the one who believes it is this thing then it is them who has that which they created for themselves. Not anyone else though, to say it is this way for me so it is for you is creating imagined obstacles for others.

When mind is quite or no more chattering, what is left?

[Sugarcoat]

7 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Are you ok with your house burning down next week, or your parents dying tomorrow? Are you okay in being homeless? Or going blind because of some condition？

I don’t have attachment to my house so I wouldn’t be sad nor do I fear if it burned down. But I wouldn’t want it to happen, it would be an annoyance: having to do all the things to fix a new one.

Im not attached to my parents, so I wouldn’t grieve if they died.

When it comes to homelessness it can lead to being cold during the night, starving etc that brings about physical discomfort so that’s not something I would be okay with . 
 

Im not afraid of going blind but I have a preference of being able to see

I’m not claiming to be enlightened btw. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:18 AM by Sugarcoat

[SOUL]

8 hours ago, James123 said:

When mind is quite or no more chattering, what is left?

How is this a response to my message? Please clarify.

It would serve no benefit in pointing to all the other activity in the mind that exists in addition to chattering.

[James123]

5 minutes ago, SOUL said:

How is this a response to my message? Please clarify.

It would serve no benefit in pointing to all the other activity in the mind that exists in addition to chattering.

Unfortunately, No. Because, Mind=Chattering=Any thoughts are identical. There is not a mind that chatters or chattering happens within the mind. Word of "mind" (as any other word) is chattering already.

[SOUL]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

Unfortunately, No. Because, Mind=Chattering=Any thoughts are identical. There is not a mind that chatters or chattering happens within the mind. Word of "mind" (as any other word) is chattering already.

Again, you are not replying to my message, it appears as if you are responding to your own mind thus proving you are still blocked by the obstacle you create for yourself.

[James123]

5 minutes ago, SOUL said:

Again, you are not replying to my message, it appears as if you are responding to your own mind thus proving you are still blocked by the obstacle you create for yourself.

Because, end of mind chattering can not be explain, because, it is just blank, Being as before so called birth.

Moreover, when mind chattering ends, any explanations or actions comes through with the moment not the mind. That's what so called deconstruction or transcending of the mind is.

[SOUL]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Because, end of mind chattering can not be explain, because, it is just blank, Being as before so called birth.

Moreover, when mind chattering ends, any explanations or actions comes through with the moment not the mind. That's what so called deconstruction or transcending of the mind is.

...and yet you keep explaining and explaining in thread after thread with post after post. Curious behavior from someone who claims to have a blank mind, no chattering and has no 'you'.

[Eskilon]

8 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t have attachment to my house so I wouldn’t be sad nor do I fear if it burned down. But I wouldn’t want it to happen, it would be an annoyance: having to do all the things to fix a new one.

Im not attached to my parents, so I wouldn’t grieve if they died.

When it comes to homelessness it can lead to being cold during the night, starving etc that brings about physical discomfort so that’s not something I would be okay with . 
 

Im not afraid of going blind but I have a preference of being able to see

I’m not claiming to be enlightened btw. 

I see. I was just testing you too see how fat your self is 

To me, an enlightened person wouldn't mind those scenarios, not that they personally want them. But, if they happen, he/she will not be in misery like everyone else.

Edited Wednesday at 03:23 PM by Eskilon

[James123]

1 minute ago, SOUL said:

...and yet you keep explaining and explaining in thread after thread with post after post. Curious behavior from someone who claims to have a blank mind, no chattering and has no 'you'.

It is just for help brother. Unfortunately, "post after post, keep explaining and explaining" is your assumption. (Which is the based on, when one thinks that these sentences are belongs to the self).

Moment never judges, be curious. Just moves with Love, therefore, sharing, caring and helping is inevitable.

 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I see. I was just testing you too see how fat your self is 

Hahah you are free to do that. I don’t mind

2 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

To me, an enlightened person wouldn't mind those scenarios, not that they personally want them. But, if they happen, he/she will not be in misery like everyone else.

I agree

It’s also possible to be a very detached person without being enlightened. It took me a lot of work and shedding of layers to the ego but it’s possible

[Kuba Powiertowski]

 @James123 Citta Vritti Nirodha—the cessation of mental turmoil or fluctuations of the mind—you haven't reinvented the wheel. If you've permanently achieved this state—huge applause from me to you and everyone here who has. Unfortunately, this is impossible to verify, and literally anyone can say, or even easier, write anything these days. Maintaining the state of Citta Vritti Nirodha on a daily basis, in normal human functioning, seems so difficult that even the greatest experts on the subject—yogis, ascetics, and various types of saints—are unsure if it's even possible while residing in a human body. It's quite possible that the so-called Jiva-Mukta, like the fully activated Kundalini energy, is just another fantasy. Besides, is that really the point? It's not difficult to eloquently expound upon obvious truths, especially when everything around aroundo us is ok and things are going according to plan. I wonder, casually, how many of us practice what we preach here in our daily lives—school, home, and work. It's also interesting that you'd have to have a ton of free time, or at least a personal secretary, to post as many as some here. But that's just a side note...

[SOUL]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

It is just for help brother. Unfortunately, "post after post, keep explaining and explaining" is your assumption. (Which is the based on, when one thinks that these sentences are belongs to the self).

Moment never judges, be curious. Just moves with Love, therefore, sharing, caring and helping is inevitable.

 

The forum littered with your posts, it's evidence of stumbling on the obstacle you created for yourself. 

An absence of the imagined conditions would be an example of a blank mind because conditions you have created is mind chatter. Suggesting others are bound by the conditions you imagine for yourself and that you are helping them be free from what you are imagining is mind chatter.

'Truth' is not what you say it is, it is true when you abide in it.

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

 @James123 Citta Vritti Nirodha—the cessation of mental turmoil or fluctuations of the mind—you haven't reinvented the wheel. If you've permanently achieved this state—huge applause from me to you and everyone here who has. Unfortunately, this is impossible to verify, and literally anyone can say, or even easier, write anything these days. Maintaining the state of Citta Vritti Nirodha on a daily basis, in normal human functioning, seems so difficult that even the greatest experts on the subject—yogis, ascetics, and various types of saints—are unsure if it's even possible while residing in a human body. It's quite possible that the so-called Jiva-Mukta, like the fully activated Kundalini energy, is just another fantasy. Besides, is that really the point? It's not difficult to eloquently expound upon obvious truths, especially when everything around aroundo us is ok and things are going according to plan. I wonder, casually, how many of us practice what we preach here in our daily lives—school, home, and work. It's also interesting that you'd have to have a ton of free time, or at least a personal secretary, to post as many as some here. But that's just a side note...

This actually "your" = "belief". Mental projection, which is like putting an a major wall as saying or believing in impossible or difficult etc... therefore your own projection or explanation to yourself.

Just know this, when one looses everything, free to do anything.

[James123]

6 minutes ago, SOUL said:

The forum littered with your posts, it's evidence of stumbling on the obstacle you created for yourself. 

An absence of the imagined conditions would be an example of a blank mind because conditions you have created is mind chatter. Suggesting others are bound by the conditions you imagine for yourself and that you are helping them be free from what you are imagining is mind chatter.

'Truth' is not what you say it is, it is true when you abide in it.

Truth has most precious gift, which is the only gift, Love.

Because, burning with Love. Lost in it. 

 

[SOUL]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

Truth has most precious gift, which is the only gift, Love.

Because, burning with Love. Lost in it. 

 

Truth is not in words

or in concepts imagined

Abiding is truth

[Eskilon]

10 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s also possible to be a very detached person without being enlightened. It took me a lot of work and shedding of layers to the ego but it’s possible

True. Some people need very little bo be happy or satisfied. And I would argue that's usually the trajectory you are going in when developing spiritually, as I am noticing this change in me too.

Edited Thursday at 02:07 AM by Eskilon