Truth = True

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Ishanga  

I thought you were at the Isha Foundation under that giant statue in a 3-week meditative trance 😅. Nice to see you again 

No, just too busy with normal life and needed a break:) Thank You!!!

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know, why the things that appears are not real? I'd say they are, everything is real, because the reality is real 😅. Enlightenment is be open to what reality is , not to how reality is. "How" is that about God, physicality, dream,  etc. You could deduct it but enlightenment is the direct and absolute openenss to the totality, without content. Implies all content, but it's nothing that can be defined, definitions happen in it.

At some point you will have to bring in science and logic.   You cannot avoid this.  You can't just hand wave everything away as the openess to totality.  This isnt going to fly.  There are definitive answers.  If you want to believe that it's just Infinity unfolding that's fine.  But the questions still remain.  You can't handwave those off.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I agree! But in that sort of Experience and Understanding, living within a Society and day to day tasks that are mostly survival based is not possible for most...Most of Us are Householders, we live in the Society of the Worlds, making them work for all of Us, for those that are in states and Experiences as You state above, Ashrams are the place, away from responsibilities of Survival life...But one can do it in the Societal World as well, its just takes balance and knowing, great Awareness up to a point where life is Lilla or a Game to be played... Game does not mean always fun and pleasant, rather it means cause and effect, situations, ups and downs, wins and loses but You go untouched by it basically...

Why one should suffer with choosing fake identity with attachment of to survival game, instead of being the moment with Love in the Source?

I am just sharing the love, not forcing, trying to convince. Even if there is a world, that's what's only need. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

At some point you will have to bring in science and logic.   You cannot avoid this.  You can't just hand wave everything away as the openess to totality.  This isnt going to fly.  There are definitive answers.  If you want to believe that it's just Infinity unfolding that's fine.  But the questions still remain.  You can't handwave those off.

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

 

Of course but it's a different plane. Enlightenment is openness. Then there can be clarity that makes you understand how reality operates, see its dynamics, its rhythm and harmony, its flow. All of that is human potential, but you have to differentiate one from the other.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Why one should suffer with choosing fake identity with attachment of to survival game, instead of being the moment with Love in the Source?

I am just sharing the love, not forcing, trying to convince. Even if there is a world, that's what's only need. 

Yes Agreed, we need more of this in the world, my studies have shown we are basically no different from the way we were millennia ago, we just have more tech, more convenience more comfort, but we still accumulate ppl, places and things, experiences too just to feel Alive, or feel real Love, but anything to do with Accumulating is just survival mode, not living up to our Potential at all... 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Of course but it's a different plane. Enlightenment is openness. Then there can be clarity that makes you understand how reality operates, see its dynamics, its rhythm and harmony, its flow. All of that is human potential, but you have to differentiate one from the other.

Thats not correct because enlightenment is where you become reality itself.  You are the whole thing so who better to understand it.  When you become it in its totality you have a complete understanding.   That is enlightenment.  

 

Edited Sunday at 08:47 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

You are the whole thing sl who better to understand it.  When you become it in its totality you have a complete understanding.   That is enlightenment.  

There is not understanding in the totality, except that its total. In that everything is included. Any understanding like what physicality is happens in this form. "You are god dreaming" is an understanding that happens in this form and has a relative meaning. 

[Davino]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Where was it before your so called birth? 😊 

You sound like a broken record. We've already had this conversation. Please at least be creative.

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

How I see it is isn't your conciousness and there is not a process from an absolute perspective. It's totally expanded, for the reality everything is total, it's absolute joy because what we call "joy", this, let's say, feeling, sensation, perception, really means : unlimited. Every real joy is the intuition of limitlessness, it's not the same than being happy for something, joy is different, it's synonymous of limitlessness . The form is happening because it's inevitable, but the absolute is not someone or something that have feelings about it, it's only total. It's very difficult reach it, because it's not anything, is totality. Then it's everything, the glass will get absolutely full, any shadow of dissatisfaction will absolutely dissapear. It's an impossibility, the totality is total. Period. Nothing else. Everything, more than everything: total. 

Yes, I know what you mean.

But for me there was a: Oh Shit moment, I'm the Absolute and there's nothing I can do about it.

I'm doomed to be the greatest ever Metaphysical Infinite Awake Love Singularity

[James123]

22 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes Agreed, we need more of this in the world, my studies have shown we are basically no different from the way we were millennia ago, we just have more tech, more convenience more comfort, but we still accumulate ppl, places and things, experiences too just to feel Alive, or feel real Love, but anything to do with Accumulating is just survival mode, not living up to our Potential at all... 

If people can say "I love you" without any expectation, and act that way, ego inevitably vanishes. 

There is no need for seminar, retreats, psychedelics, reading, understanding etc...

Just to say "I love you" something or someone without any expectations from the deepest place of the heart.

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

 But if you are Inifnity you should also be able to cease to exist.  

No, because I'd exist as "non-existence" or lack of existence or cessation of existence. See?

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Davino said:

You sound like a broken record. We've already had this conversation. Please at least be creative.

Do not trust the god or you as god, death will gulp you up, if you can not surrender those thoughts.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

No, because I'd exist as "non-existence" or lack of existence or cessation of existence. See?

I do but only if you thought of that right?  Do not underestimate Infinity 😀

[Davino]

Just now, James123 said:

Do not trust the god or you as god, death will gulp you up, if you can not surrender those thoughts.

I did that years ago, you still there brother?

Come on there's so much more Awakening and Enlightenment, but for you to recognise that would hurt your non-existent ego...

[Inliytened1]

25 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is not understanding in the totality, except that its total. In that everything is included. Any understanding like what physicality is happens in this form. "You are god dreaming" is an understanding that happens in this form and has a relative meaning. 

There is complete understanding in its totality. This is omniscience.  You will also be omnipotent and you will be able to spawn multiple universes should this be your goal.  For me Omniscience was sufficient and fulfilling.  I now know the secrets of God.  And I do not give them up easiliy.

Edited Sunday at 09:14 PM by Inliytened1

[James123]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

I did that years ago, you still there brother?

Come on there's so much more Awakening and Enlightenment, but for you to recognise that would hurt your non-existent ego...

It is funny that how one can trust himself/herself so much, meanwhile body is empty 😊 Thoughts within the thoughts, beliefs within the beliefs.

Amazing unbelievable 😍 

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I do but only if you thought of that right? 

Reality cannot cease to exist because nonexistence is but a permutation reality can be in. That's the nature of Infinity. 

I should give this Awakening a particular name, because it's an important facet in my view.

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

It is funny that how one can trust himself/herself so much, meanwhile body is empty 😊 Thoughts within the thoughts, beliefs within the beliefs.

The cognitive disonance you must have to deny ego self may even be pathological. Beware this could cause you psychological and social damage. Scientific research is full of people that lost their mind with this approach. It's clear you haven't transcended the mind nor the ego, and you are just in self-denial phase, which may create self-hate, self-doubt, self-criticism, self-fragmentation...

Yet, will you seriously contemplate this? No, you will again deny any of this occuring. Hence you trap yourself and nobody can help you! See what you have done to yourself

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Davino said:

Reality cannot cease to exist because nonexistence is but a permutation reality can be in. That's the nature of Infinity. 

I should give this Awakening a particular name, because it's an important facet in my view.

I know it just seems wrong to put this limit on Infinity. It has no limits so it must be capable of cessation, even if we can't see it.

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I know it just seems wrong to put this limit on Infinity. It has no limits so it must be capable of cessation, even if we can't see it.

I understand what you're trying to say and I've contemplated it for long.

I may be wrong.

Yet that's my position. All can happen in Infinity, that's what makes it Infinite, paradox, contradiction, everything, nothing...

Limitlessness is the limit so to speak. Infinity is the finity. That's the strange loop.