Truth = True

[Inliytened1]

30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You say that because you can't escape the human temporal perspective of what's happening. The idea of God dreaming is a projection from that perspective. Reality outside of the happening isn't trapped in anything; it's the human who is trapped, and it's circumstantial. It's a perspective that happens and disappears; it doesn't imply that another one will happen later. "Later" only makes sense in the temporal dimension in which you operate now.

Enlightened is not realizing that you are God dreaming

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Enlightenment is just that.  Do not attempt to distort. 

[Davino]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But when you sit and ponder what something else could be. You always come back to the dream. 

My point is that there's no way out of the dream, ever. Because dreaming is my very own nature. Water will always be wet, in the same Consciousness always dreams. Reality must exist in one way or another, in one permutation or other.

We are here for eternity

[James123]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Denying it is not gonna help you transcend the self.

How can you Denise something, there is not there, here or now? 😊 

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

Then reality will be something else, my existence is eternal.

Where are you?

1 hour ago, Davino said:

There's no way out of God.

What is God? Who even told you?

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's right.  But when you sit and ponder what something else could be. You always come back to the dream. 

The dreamer / experiencer is an illusion in first place.

Even if you think you are writing or not writing, there is no control of anyone including your God or you as god.

Effortlessness is the way of understanding. But not trying to understand, because it needs effort. Therefore, Just simply Being.

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Enlightenment is just that.  Do not attempt to distort. 

It's more linguistics than anything else. Breakingthewall grasps what is being discussed, he just seems allergic to the "God Dreaming" wording, although we understand it to be quite precise.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

My point is that there's no way out of the dream, ever. Because dreaming is my very own nature. Water will always be wet, in the same Consciousness always dreams. Reality must exist in one way or another, in one permutation or other.

We are here for eternity

You ARE eternity. 

I guess it's not such a bad thing.   You can sit in Infinite Nothingness.   Should you choose.  For that is your ultimate nature.  But I choose form.  Not sure why.  Maybe it's boredom.

[Davino]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

How can you Denise something, there is not there, here or now? 😊 

 

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I guess it's not such a bad thing.   You can sit in Infinite Nothingness.   Should you choose.  For that is your ultimate nature.  But I choose form.  Not sure why.  Maybe it's boredom.

Infinite Nothingness is also a permutation of reality, this universe another.

It's Reality going through all its potentiality.

I am Infinity, that's it. I cannot do anything about it.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

I am Infinity, that's it. I cannot do anything about it.

Where was it before your so called birth? 😊 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

am way over this phase and I see why this design of Reality is Perfect and most intelligent, yet I ask myself if other people have grasped this Awakening were your consciousness traverses every possible permutation and it just arrives back itself and there's no way out as all ways collapse in yourself in an Infite Consciousness strange loop.

How I see it is isn't your conciousness and there is not a process from an absolute perspective. It's totally expanded, for the reality everything is total, it's absolute joy because what we call "joy", this, let's say, feeling, sensation, perception, really means : unlimited. Every real joy is the intuition of limitlessness, it's not the same than being happy for something, joy is different, it's synonymous of limitlessness . The form is happening because it's inevitable, but the absolute is not someone or something that have feelings about it, it's only total. It's very difficult reach it, because it's not anything, is totality. Then it's everything, the glass will get absolutely full, any shadow of dissatisfaction will absolutely dissapear. It's an impossibility, the totality is total. Period. Nothing else. Everything, more than everything: total. 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Davino said:

Infinite Nothingness is also a permutation of reality, this universe another.

It's Reality going through all its potentiality.

I am Infinity, that's it. I cannot do anything about it.

Good stuff. But if you are Inifnity you should also be able to cease to exist.  What is that though.   

 

 

Edited Sunday at 08:05 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Enlightenment is just that.  Do not attempt to distort. 

No, enlightenment is be open to the totality, it has no content. Zero content, absolutely no thing. It's be open to the totality. Period. You don't understand it? Obviously, if you would, it would mean that you are enlightened 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, enlightenment is be open to the totality, it has no content. Zero content, absolutely no thing. It's be open to the totality. Period. You don't understand it? Obviously, if you would, it would mean that you are enlightened 

There is an element to enlightenment that will show you that the physical world doesn't exist.  It is an illusion of the mind.  It's one of the greatest mindfucks that there are.  But you can realize it. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

There is an element to enlightenment that will show you that the physical world doesn't exist.  It is an illusion of the mind.  It's one of the greatest mindfucks that there are.  But you can realize it. 

You can't see that "physical" is a categorization that is happening in your current angle of existing. If you were a squid you wouldn't know that. There are infinite possibles dimension of being. "Physical" makes sense in this dimension, not in others. The absolute is not "physical" or "mental", it's where those distinctions happen. Enlightenment needs some subtle understanding to dont being trapped. 

[Ishanga]

@James123 As Usual, by denying the Relative, Material/Physical, day to day lives and experiences, Independent Body/Mind complexes, Your missing out on the whole or what most call around here as Absolute. because Absolute contains All, all Potentials and Possibilities.. 

What Your saying is of the Absolute Realm for lack of a better word, as it cannot be explained or talked about via language and such, but as limited as we are, You and others here are describing the Absolute realm, where no physicality, materialism, duality, experience exists, but this place, this Earth we we all live is not that realm.

What is here is Materialism, Physicality, Duality, Experience as such, it is only within You can You have the Experience of Absolute, if You or any of Us did not Exist as Body/Mind complexes then Experience would not exist, so therefore all these words, dogmas, philosophies and such would not either, but since that is not so, we do exist, here we are to Experience the Relative as it is, but we can Experience allot more as Humans, compared to other life forms, we can go basically all the way up to the point of dissolving this Body/Mind complex and having complete mergence with Absolute, but then there is no experience left or possible...

Once You deny any Potential/Possibility, then it is not complete and basically wrong...Everyone here as a personal philosophy about Reality/Absolute/God, all of it is correct based on their own Individual Experience and Understanding (Compare Leo to someone on the street messed up on meth), its just that there is always more to it no matter who You are or at what level of Conscious Experience You are at...

 

Edited Sunday at 08:20 PM by Ishanga

[LambdaDelta]

Here we have a live demonstration of the meme "what if two solipsists met". You gentlemen are God bickering about the semantics of God. And through this symbolic nonsense, the Yggdrasil of Consciousness sprawls ever further. What elaborate and efficient design. 

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can't see that "physical" is a categorization that is happening in your current angle of existing. If you were a squid you wouldn't know that. There are infinite possibles dimension of being. "Physical" makes sense in this dimension, not in others. The absolute is not "physical" or "mental", it's where those distinctions happen. Enlightenment needs some subtle understanding to dont being trapped. 

What i mean is enlightenment will shatter the illusion of where you thought there was a physical universe.  There isn't.  Right now you truly believe because of the dream created for you that your mother is out there.  That anything you can't see outside your door is out there.  It's essential to note, in my opinion, that its not.   Not for any other reason but for an understanding of reality.   This is purely metaphysics.  And your interest within.   If you don't care- then it means nothing.   

Edited Sunday at 08:21 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

@Ishanga  

I thought you were at the Isha Foundation under that giant statue in a 3-week meditative trance 😅. Nice to see you again 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

@James123 As Usual, by denying the Relative, Material/Physical, day to day lives and experiences, Independent Body/Mind complexes, Your missing out on the whole or what most call around here as Absolute. because Absolute contains All, all Potentials and Possibilities.. 

What Your saying is of the Absolute Realm for lack of a better word, as it cannot be explained or talked about via language and such, but as limited as we are, You and others here are describing the Absolute realm, where no physicality, materialism, duality, experience exists, but this place, this Earth we we all live is not that realm.\

What is here is Materialism, Physicality, Duality, Experience as such, it is only within You can You have the Experience of Absolute, if You or any of Us did not Exist as Body/Mind complexes then Experience would not exist, so therefore all these words, dogmas, philosophies and such would not either, but since that is not so, we do exist, here we are to Experience the Relative as it is, but we can Experience allot more as Humans, compared to other life forms, we can go basically all the way up to the point of dissolving this Body/Mind complex and having complete mergence with Absolute, but then there is no experience left or possible...

Once You deny any Potential/Possibility, then it is not complete and basically wrong...Everyone here as a personal philosophy about Reality/Absolute/God, all of it is correct based on their own Individual Experience and Understanding (Compare Leo to someone on the street messed up on meth), its just that there is always more to it no matter who You are or at what level of Conscious Experience You are at...

 

When there is no beliefs, ideas, philosophy, control, after that only Love take place.

No one should try to control, let the love do it's job. And merge with it.

Edited Sunday at 08:25 PM by James123

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What i mean is enlightenment will shatter the illusion of where you thought there was a physical universe.  There isn't.  Right now you truly believe because of the dream created for you that your mother is out there.  That anything you can't see outside your door is out there.  It's essential to note, in my opinion, that its not.   Not for any other reason but for an understanding of reality.   This is purely metaphysics.  And your interest within.   If you don't care- then it means nothing.   

I don't know, why the things that appears are not real? I'd say they are, everything is real, because the reality is real 😅. Enlightenment is be open to what reality is , not to how reality is. "How" is that about God, physicality, dream,  etc. You could deduct it but enlightenment is the direct and absolute openenss to the totality, without content. Implies all content, but it's nothing that can be defined, definitions happen in it.

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

When there is no beliefs, ideas, philosophy, control, after that only Love take place.

No one should try to control, let the love do it's job.

I agree! But in that sort of Experience and Understanding, living within a Society and day to day tasks that are mostly survival based is not possible for most...Most of Us are Householders, we live in the Society of the Worlds, making them work for all of Us, for those that are in states and Experiences as You state above, Ashrams are the place, away from responsibilities of Survival life...But one can do it in the Societal World as well, its just takes balance and knowing, great Awareness up to a point where life is Lilla or a Game to be played... Game does not mean always fun and pleasant, rather it means cause and effect, situations, ups and downs, wins and loses but You go untouched by it basically...

Edited Sunday at 08:30 PM by Ishanga