- My Theory Of Everything -

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I try is not defining the reality, it's constructing a mental frame that allows the total openess. Believe me that this is the point of spirituality. Not having some realizations but being open to your absolute nature right now. And this needs a restructuring of your psyche 

This is good.  All of this is good.  Have you had some awakenings?  Tell me of them.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

This is good.  All of this is good.  Have you had some awakenings?  Tell me of them.

I already told you above. Anyway, what is an awakening? The point is being awake, and being awake means being open to your unlimited nature now. It's not a realization, any realization belongs to the conceptual relative level. Its the fact of being open to what has not limits now. 

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I already told you above. Anyway, what is an awakening? The point is being awake, and being awake means being open to your unlimited nature now. It's not a realization, any realization belongs to the conceptual relative level. Its the fact of being open to what has not limits now. 

Ok let's not forget that there are distinct changes in state.  It is in a higher state that I believe God resides.  In a higher state of conscousness.  While we sit here as humans in a lower state, but a state high enough to know how to tie our shoes.  And a dog sits in a state where he can't understand that.  So you have to understand there are states of consciousness.  Please acknowledge this or we have nothing more to say.

Edited 15 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ok let's not forget that there are distinct changes in state.  It is in a higher state that I believe God resides.  In a higher state of conscousness.  While we sit here as humans in a lower state, but a state highe enough to know how to tie our shoes.  And a dog sits in a state where he can't understand that.  So you have to understand there are states of consciousness.  Please acknowledge this or we have nothing more to say.

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

There are two states of consciousness: closed and open. It has no relationship with being god or knowing anything.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

There are two states of consciousness: closed and open. It has no relationship with being god or knowing anything.

You know better than this, that's all I'll say.

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I try is not defining the reality, it's constructing a mental frame that allows the total openess. Believe me that this is the point of spirituality. Not having some realizations but being open to your absolute nature right now. And this needs a restructuring of your psyche 

You can only be the Absolute, not know the Absolute, because a human being is a limited temporal entity. What can a limited temporal entity know about the Absolute? It would need to be omnipresent, omnipotent , and omniscient, which it’s not. Relative knowledge about the Absolute would be Absurd.

 

[Breakingthewall]

48 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You can only be the Absolute, not know the Absolute, because a human being is a limited temporal entity. What can a limited temporal entity know about the Absolute? It would need to be omnipresent, omnipotent , and omniscient, which it’s not. Relative knowledge about the Absolute would be Absurd.

 

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

The absolute is not the sum of all relative things, but rather what all relative things are in essence. Everything that exists is existence, absolute being manifested in a form.

Obviously, you can't know all forms, and besides, it wouldn't do any good. The point is to transcend form and open yourself to what is, to the absolute being. It's strange that this isn't obvious. 

You could know what you are because you are the absolute being manifested in a reflexive form. 

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

You know better than this, that's all I'll say.

What better? 

[Mellowmarsh]

38 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Obviously, you can't know all forms, and besides, it wouldn't do any good. The point is to transcend form and open yourself to what is, to the absolute being. It's strange that this isn't obvious. 

What’s actually obvious is that which appears to transcend, never transcends.

If the Absolute is truly absolute, nothing exists outside of it. If it tries to "know" itself, it splits into a subject and an object, meaning it is no longer a seamless, undivided whole. 

[kavaris]

I made something called "Ownership of the One..." (the last chapt., on that exp., for the full understanding of...) but its still in galleys. Ima try waitin like, maybe a month or two, workin out like, 'how to present... As i wanna get everyone on the same EXACT page lol 😆which may sound impossible, but i think everyone is gonna be closer in a month, as more ppl have time to write things down and such, And not to mention, lots of ideas can occur, and in that time, nd lots of lesser priority ideas can be garbage collected, therein raising up Those w/ the most -if it makes sense, i think so.

Edited 13 hours ago by kavaris

[Breakingthewall]

44 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What’s actually obvious is that which appears to transcend, never transcends.

If the Absolute is truly absolute, nothing exists outside of it. If it tries to "know" itself, it splits into a subject and an object, meaning it is no longer a seamless, undivided whole. 

It's absolute as nature of everything but any manifestation is relative. The relative is the absolute appearing 

[Mellowmarsh]

42 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's absolute as nature of everything but any manifestation is relative. The relative is the absolute appearing 

The relative is not the Absolute appearing. The Absolute doesn’t appear.

The Absolute is Brahman, the only true reality. The relative world (Maya) is an illusion or an appearance built on top of that Absolute . The nature of the relative is change /appearance. Whereas the Absolute is changeless / boundless / groundless. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The Absolute is Brahman, the only true reality. The relative world (Maya) is an illusion or an appearance built on top of that Absolute

Well I think that explanation is a mistake because the relative world is the inevitable manifestation of the absolute, because the absolute is the unlimited fact of being that appears always in relative forms because not appearing is not a possibility, is the no space time between two appearances. 

Then, form is relative, but any form is absolute being manifested in that form, and absolute being is changeless because it has no form, what has no form can't change. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well I think that explanation is a mistake because the relative world is the inevitable manifestation of the absolute, because the absolute is the unlimited fact of being that appears always in relative forms because not appearing is not a possibility, is the no space time between two appearances. 

Then, form is relative, but any form is absolute being manifested in that form, and absolute being is changeless because it has no form, what has no form can't change. 

It’s not a mistake , it’s just worded differently. You’ve framed it in a context switch that’s different to the way I’ve framed it that’s all.

 

The way I context this is The changeless true real Absolute can exist without the relative finite appearances, but the relative finite appearances cannot exist without the Absolute. Making the changeless Absolute the true reality and the relative appearances are just a fictional ever changing conceptual overlay upon the true unchanging Absolute, this fictional overlay is not the true reality. The Absolute is the true knower of the relative conceptual reality as known as and when the knowing arises one with the knowing. There is no other knowing, it’s one without a second.

 You already are the Absolute, knowing concepts such as a “ person”  

The concept “ person “ is not the knower because the concept “ person “ is already known. You already are the knowing that cannot be known by the concept known because a concept known is not separate from the Absolute, there’s nothing outside of the Absolute that can exist as having an independent separate knowing autonomy.

And notice I said conceptual things are known only “as and when” the concepts (Arise) in knowing and are instantly known one with the knowing. So until something known ( Arises) instantly known one with the knowing, the only knowing there is, there’s nothing else being known. When one thing is known, everything is known because everything is one knowing as and when that known (Arises) one with the knowing.