Near sighted/Far Sighted and survival

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, aurum said:

YES  that's what awakening is.

You are God Mind, absolutely no where, imagining that you need a body, a brain, biology and physical space.

That's a mistake, but anyway....I don't want to argue. But it's so obvious. God dreaming is an impossibility, requires will, intention. It's a limit. In one side god, in other the dream. Limit A and limit B, and in the middle the action of dreams. Can be more limited? 

[aurum]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's a mistake, but anyway....I don't want to argue. But it's so obvious. God dreaming is an impossibility, requires will, intention. It's a limit. In one side god, in other the dream. Limit A and limit B, and in the middle the action of dreams. Can be more limited? 

It's a perfect description.

Dreaming is not a limitation, it's the removal of all limits.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, aurum said:

It's a perfect description.

Dreaming is not a limitation, it's the removal of all limits.

What is a dream? It's something that has an end, flat, without depth. It's like a flat screen, limited. 

[aurum]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

What is a dream? It's something that has an end, flat, without depth. It's like a flat screen, limited. 

A dream is whatever you imagine it is.

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, aurum said:

A dream is whatever you imagine it is.

Then god wants that things appear . Then god has a lot of ideas, will, bias, he has a project and he's doing it. Where is all of that ideas, power? In his mind? Then he's an entity, something. And he's god, so there is nothing above him. So he's a limit. 

Then he's dreaming and the dream appears. That dream is just a flat image, without depth, just an illusion. Then it's limited , one limit up, another down 

[aurum]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then god wants that things appear . Then god has a lot of ideas, will, bias, he has a project and he's doing it. Where is all of that ideas, power? In his mind? Then he's an entity, something. And he's god, so there is nothing above him. So he's a limit. 

Yes God has Will!

But this is not a limited, biased human will. It's the opposite.

God's Will is what happens when you remove all bias and limitation, including the notion of anything existing "above". Or rather, all bias and limitation must be dreamed by God to begin with.

The end result is infinite dreams, with no higher authority in control.

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, aurum said:

Yes God has Will!

But this is not a limited, biased human will. It's the opposite.

God's Will is what happens when you remove all bias and limitation, including the notion of anything existing "above". Or rather, all bias and limitation must be dreamed by God to begin with.

The end result is infinite dreams, with no higher authority in control.

Still there are two limits, god and the dream . And about the will, how an unbiased will is a will? 

[aurum]

52 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Still there are two limits, god and the dream . And about the will, how an unbiased will is a will? 

If you're going to say that dreaming is a limit and therefore violates God, then I will say any claim you make about God is a limit and violates God.

By your logic, God being the "source" of creation is a limit. God being "love" is a limit. God being "infinite" is a limit. So you can take this "limit" argument to absurdity if you want.

Yes, outside of Awakening, you could say God is limited to dreaming. That's what it means to be an infinite mind.

And yes, Will still remains if you remove all bias. It's the Will of the Whole, all at once.

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, aurum said:

And yes, Will still remains if you remove all bias. It's the Will of the Whole, all at once.

Then that's the same than no will, so god is the same than no god. The problem is the idea of a dream. It implies a dreamer, and a dreamer is an entity, someone who emits something, a dream, which is a representation of reality, not real in itself. This implies that there is something else, more real, which defines "dream" by contrast. If there were only "dreams," then it wouldn't be a dream, just as if the will had no preference, it wouldn't be will. Will is desire, wanting to live and not die, for example. If it's exactly the same to you, then there is no will. But who has will? God? Who is God? Nothingness? Nothingness has no will, nor does it dream, nor does anything, if it do it would be something,."will" for example. This whole idea of God dreaming is simply impossible.

Edited July 10 by Breakingthewall

[aurum]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then that's the same than no will, so god is the same than no god. The problem is the idea of a dream. It implies a dreamer, and a dreamer is an entity, someone who emits something, a dream, which is a representation of reality, not real in itself. This implies that there is something else, more real, which defines "dream" by contrast. If there were only "dreams," then it wouldn't be a dream, just as if the will had no preference, it wouldn't be will. Will is desire, wanting to live and not die, for example. If it's exactly the same to you, then there is no will. But who has will? God? Who is God? Nothingness? Nothingness has no will, nor does it dream, nor does anything, if it do it would be something,."will" for example. This whole idea of God dreaming is simply impossible.

If you don't want to call it dream, then what do you want to call it?

What is a better word?

[Schizophonia]

Yes, the less we live in nature, the more likely we are to become myopic; it has been studied.

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, aurum said:

If you don't want to call it dream, then what do you want to call it?

What is a better word?

You call it dream for a reason, because for you is a mental creation of god. That's impossible, it's not that, it's the inevitable development of the unlimited potential. Everything that you perceive, even a thought, develops to infinity, there is no center not end, the other people aren't a dream, are infinite, everything is. There is no will, just the reality flowing in itself without begging nor end. God is a center, there is not, the unlimited reflects in itself in infinite dimensions that develops in infinite dimensions without end, and all of them are just facets, perspectives, but anyone of them is infinitely deep, and contains the whole reality. The whole has no will, it's unlimited, can't avoid that, it's absolute expansión already expanded without limits in all directions and dimensions, and all of them can burst like a soap bubble because any form is the same than another, just the unlimited. 

Edited July 10 by Breakingthewall

[aurum]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

You call it dream for a reason, because for you is a mental creation of god. That's impossible, it's not that, it's the inevitable development of the unlimited potential. Everything that you perceive, even a thought, develops to infinity, there is no center not end, the other people aren't a dream, are infinite, everything is. There is no will, just the reality flowing in itself without begging nor end. God is a center, there is not, the unlimited reflects in itself in infinite dimensions that develops in infinite dimensions without end, and all of them are just facets, perspectives, but anyone of them is infinitely deep, and contains the whole reality. The whole has no will, it's unlimited, can't avoid that, it's absolute expansión already expanded without limits in all directions and dimensions, and all of them can burst like a soap bubble because any form is the same than another, just the unlimited. 

Everything you are writing is a description of infinite mind, dreaming infinite dreams.

Dreaming does not invalidate God in anyway.

[UnbornTao]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly, conciousness is relative. There is no conciousness without relationship between two. That of dream or illusion is meaningless, are still two, it's the same dream or real, a dream is composed by infinite relationship, same than anything else. Those two could be the same in essence, but operate as two, then are two

I'm not entirely clear on what you're trying to say. I guess it depends on what you mean by consciousness, but in that segment, I was talking about perception. I'd rather not speculate on these topics, though. 

Edited July 11 by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

On 7/10/2025 at 4:49 PM, aurum said:

Both lobotomies and dead people are imagined within the field of consciousness

YES  that's what awakening is.

You are God Mind, absolutely no where, imagining that you need a body, a brain, biology and physical space.

It's not metaphorical, it's metaphysical.

I mean exactly what I am saying.

There is nothing beyond what you call perception.

It's the other way around.

If perception was the result of biology, then your perception would not be absolute. Your perception would be merely a representation of deeper biological processes, happening somewhere in the brain. Which it is not.

It's precisely because perception does not require a body or biology that it is absolute.

Everything is One, whether you cuss out drivers or not.

Everything is One, whether you believe it or not.

Everything is One, whether you are completely unconscious of this or not.

Everything is One, whether you are asleep or awake.

But yes, to your point, embodiment work still matters.

 

Edited July 12 by UnbornTao