The best women always appear when I least expect

[Princess Arabia]

27 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Don't think so she has a long term boyfriend and seems happy about him. I like her but I'm not sexually interested and I think it's the same for her. IMO, it's possible to have a platonic relationship with the other sex. 

@Princess Arabia what if there are mixed signals? When the obvious points towards one direction, and the subtle cues in another direction?

Case study: woman says in one situation "I don't have enough feelings for you let's part ways"  (obvious) and in another situation tells a story where a woman she knows left her boyfriend but came back few months later (subtle). Or woman says she's not ready for relationship (obvious) but very casually brings up topic of marriage / kids in other situation (subtle)? She's seeking distance "I want to be alone" (obvious) but then is surprised when her wish is granted ("thought we talk about it", subtle).

All real life examples

Really curios about female perspective now

 

I'm more speaking of the initial stages; even before you even have established a relationship other than just casually in passing. I'm not referring to the signals she gives if she wants to remain or stay or even on a date but more prior to all that. What happens in the cases you're mentioning will depend on the character and personality of both parties involved and the type of relationship it was.The cues will be different in thise cases than her trying to get you to notice her.

[theleelajoker]

Damn  But was worth a try & thx

And I agree with the cues in the initial phase. When the girl laughs even at my bad jokes I know she likes me 🤣 

Edited July 11 by theleelajoker

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

4 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

A woman that really wants you, will make sure you don't get away. She will find a way to get your attention but not only that, make you interact with her. If you don't do the obvious she will. If you don't, and she doesn't she never wanted you like that. Women are subtle in their cues, but they will make sure you get them to make the next move or they will. A hi and a certain look is not one of them. 

That's BS and you know it. Women will never put in more eftort other than bare minimum, because they're scared and because they don't have to

[theleelajoker]

3 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

That's BS and you know it. Women will never put in more eftort other than bare minimum, because they're scared and because they don't have to

Not true, it's projection / subjective experience.

Experienced the opposite many times. Got asked for my number, asked for a date, got approached at a bar, club,  girls searching databases to find me when I was a colleague. After initial phase, women organized vacations, rented flats etc etc. 

 

Edited July 11 by theleelajoker

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

21 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Not true,it's projection / subjective experience.

Experienced the opposite many times. Got asked for my number, asked for a date, got approached at a bar, club,  girls searching databases to find me when I was a colleague. After initial phase, women organized vacations, rented flats etc etc. 

 

I mean, anyone can claim anything on the internet bro, and there's no way of verifying it. But unless you got social status or are very attractive, shit like that doesn't happen

[theleelajoker]

3 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I mean, anyone can claim anything on the internet bro, and there's no way of verifying it. But unless you got social status or are very attractive, shit like that doesn't happen

You need witnesses? 🤣🤣🤣

I'm far from wealthy, a bit above average looks I hear. When I am in a good mood I can connect to people, but that has not always been the case.

The key: sense of humor, being as authentic and honest as possible, listening, being open.

And having a big sister helps big time, too bro. Women know other women well. They often just don't know themselves well. Same for men. 

Edited July 11 by theleelajoker

[Princess Arabia]

6 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

That's BS and you know it. Women will never put in more eftort other than bare minimum, because they're scared and because they don't have to

Pickmeishas do. Pick me, pick me.

Edited July 11 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Not true, it's projection / subjective experience.

Experienced the opposite many times. Got asked for my number, asked for a date, got approached at a bar, club,  girls searching databases to find me when I was a colleague. After initial phase, women organized vacations, rented flats etc etc. 

 

You're probably handsome. Ugly guys experience it differently and thinks every guy does.

Edited July 11 by Princess Arabia

[Sandhu]

9 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Not true, it's projection / subjective experience.

Experienced the opposite many times. Got asked for my number, asked for a date, got approached at a bar, club,  girls searching databases to find me when I was a colleague. After initial phase, women organized vacations, rented flats etc etc. 

 

These things can eazily happen if you have a very tight game. But Maybe you're the one they call naturals. I've advanced my game in recent times and it has skyrocketed my results. 

It can also happen in scanarios like if the socail status difference is big or if the girl is very young and naive. 

Two 17yrs are currently madly in love with me. I had to block one of them as she was becoming problematic.

Girls do chase and chase hard. I validate.

[Sandhu]

In less developed and sexually conservative countries and places (like pakistan), it can seem that getting laid or getting a girlfriend would be really hard. I used to be a victim of that limiting thinking. I struggled with oneitis for few years. I was very frustrated sexually and started sliding into blackpill. 

But it turns out these are easiest places in the whole fucking world to fulfill yourself sexually and relationship wise. You just need to be a little higher status than your surroundings and intermediate level of game (def not pick-up). Your looks won't be that important though  (Although it helps). Only social status will matter in long run.

Just the other day I was into this girl I saw at the Hospital, I was close to getting his nmbr but than this doc came by. He was fucking 50yrs old but cos he looked highr status cos he was a doctor, she instantly fell for him..... That was rough. But that demonstrates what I said earlier.

 

[samijiben]

5 hours ago, Sandhu said:

In less developed and sexually conservative countries and places (like pakistan), it can seem that getting laid or getting a girlfriend would be really hard. I used to be a victim of that limiting thinking. I struggled with oneitis for few years. I was very frustrated sexually and started sliding into blackpill. 

But it turns out these are easiest places in the whole fucking world to fulfill yourself sexually and relationship wise. You just need to be a little higher status than your surroundings and intermediate level of game (def not pick-up). Your looks won't be that important though  (Although it helps). Only social status will matter in long run.

Just the other day I was into this girl I saw at the Hospital, I was close to getting his nmbr but than this doc came by. He was fucking 50yrs old but cos he looked highr status cos he was a doctor, she instantly fell for him..... That was rough. But that demonstrates what I said earlier.

 

Yo that's fkn nuts dude, what a Game!

How do you go about getting social status in order to fornicate with lovely women in Pakistan?

[theleelajoker]

On 12.7.2025 at 4:03 AM, Sandhu said:

These things can eazily happen if you have a very tight game. But Maybe you're the one they call naturals. I've advanced my game in recent times and it has skyrocketed my results. 

It can also happen in scanarios like if the socail status difference is big or if the girl is very young and naive. 

Two 17yrs are currently madly in love with me. I had to block one of them as she was becoming problematic.

Girls do chase and chase hard. I validate.

 

On 12.7.2025 at 0:41 AM, Princess Arabia said:

You're probably handsome. Ugly guys experience it differently and thinks every guy does.

Don't know how often I have to repeat it:

First: Looks= a bit above average based on external feedback. Don't go to the gym to get muscles or similar. I once used tinder for a few weeks and stopped because I got close to zero matches. I won't stick out in a crowd. Noone will tell a girl dating me "oh why him?" but also nobody will say "oh what a catch"

Edit some time later: my sister said re looks that I am more handsome then I think. Still don't believe it's as important as many people want it to be 

Second: re "very tight game" - I don't call it that, I don't act this way, I don't think this way! I don't work on impressing girls (anymore) although I was partially in this trap a bit when I was younger and more insecure.

I don't think about getting "results". I don't think about "social status". WTF is wrong of many of you guys? Are you robots running on programs? Strategies to manipulate other humans? Stop thinking meta on how to influence people and just go out and talk, share, connect. 

Just be nice, be authentic, be open and treat others the way you want to be treated. Respect the individual man/woman in front of you. Try to find a "win-win". Share your happiness when you have a good day and share your sadness and desperation when you have a bad day. First case you lighten up life of others, later one you alllow others to feel what we all feel from time to time. 

Holy shit please all of you stop with the whole pick up mindset you are fucking up your life and the life of others just because you're scared of being yourself 

@Princess ArabiaI agree on people experiencing it differently and then projecting. 

Edited July 13 by theleelajoker

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@theleelajoker There are such things as social status, game etc. and they can be clearly observed in many forms. Crying about it and calling it "robotic behaviour" will not make them "unexist" bro

[theleelajoker]

19 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@theleelajoker There are such things as social status, game etc. and they can be clearly observed in many forms. Crying about it and calling it "robotic behaviour" will not make them "unexist" bro

Whatever makes you happy 

[Sandhu]

3 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Second: re "very tight game" - I don't call it that, I don't act this way, I don't think this way! I don't work on impressing girls (anymore) although I was partially in this trap a bit when I was younger and more insecure.

I don't think about getting "results". I don't think about "social status". WTF is wrong of many of you guys? Are you robots running on programs? Strategies to manipulate other humans? Stop thinking meta on how to influence people and just go out and talk, share, connect. 

Bro, you don't understand. Having good game is very very important to be successful with women. Again I think you're probably a natural that's why you don't understand how much an average guy struggles. 

"Just be yourself" that won't get you results as a newbie to the sexual marketplace.

3 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

I don't think about getting "results". I don't think about "social status". WTF is wrong of many of you guys? Are you robots running on programs? Strategies to manipulate other humans? Stop thinking meta on how to influence people and just go out and talk, share, connect. 

We are men, being competitive, strategic, results oriented and sexual driving energy comes natural. I don't change myself as that would be inauthentic of me.

By game I refer to the charm and vibe of a confidant masculine man

Edited July 12 by Sandhu

[Sandhu]

10 hours ago, samijiben said:

Yo that's fkn nuts dude, what a Game!

How do you go about getting social status in order to fornicate with lovely women in Pakistan?

Above average money and -71C° coolness + good game and you can bang new chick every week.

The only problem is the girls get very  attached and won't leave you.

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Sandhu said:

Bro, you don't understand. Having good game is very very important to be successful with women. Again I think you're probably a natural that's why you don't understand how much an average guy struggles. 

"Just be yourself" that won't get you results as a newbie to the sexual marketplace.

We are men, being competitive, strategic, results oriented and sexual driving energy comes natural. I don't change myself as that would be inauthentic of me.

By game I refer to the charm and vibe of a confidant masculine man

OK.  Makes more sense for me now. Thx for clarifying.

"Being yourself" doesn't work for some guys, ok I get it. Maybe I am/ was lucky with some life circumstances out my control. But trust me, I have / had enough other shit do deal with. 

Where I am coming from is that IMO any measure, any training, any concept, any pick up strategy, and especially any meta analysis of "how women are, what women want etc, how to get women" gets you further form this masculine confident vibe, which is "being yourself" in the end. And ironically, once you manage this, you get more interesting for others. Because they can be themselves too. 

Moreover, living this authentic self is IMO also the key to a fulfilled life and much more valuable then "scoring" with some women. I believe the key is not to learn new strategies in dealing with people, but "unlearning" the conditioning that keeps you from your authentic self. 

At least that's the way I approach life right now and I like the way my life is trending...