No Love. Just Brute Survival

[theleelajoker]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no reality, just attachment with thoughts.

Therefore, yes.

You have been through this process? And now you're back in attachment, reality?

[James123]

5 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

You have been through this process? 

Yes.

6 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

And now you're back in attachment, reality?

So called reality flows itself, I don't need to touch, involve or think.

Reality is pure beauty itself. Any and every answer is within the moment.

[theleelajoker]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Yes.

So called reality flows itself, I don't need to touch, involve or think.

Reality is pure beauty itself. Any and every answer is within the moment.

Ok, I'll let you know once I've been through the process as well

[James123]

3 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Ok, I'll let you know once I've been through the process as well

Sure brother. 

[Princess Arabia]

On 7/7/2025 at 7:29 AM, James123 said:

If there is an only pain, but not you, will you be able to suffer?

There is no one already. You ask if there is no YOU, would YOU be able to suffer. If there's no you then who would answer the question. If there is no you, who's the you you're asking if they'll be able to suffer. If is not a reality.

Edited July 8 by Princess Arabia

[James123]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no one already. You ask if there is no YOU, would YOU be able to suffer. If there's no you then who would answer the question. If there is no you, who's the you you're asking if they'll be able to suffer. If is not a reality.

let it be.

Edited July 8 by James123

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

let it be.

I cannot let it be; being is being itself.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

So called reality flows itself, I don't need to touch, involve or think.

Then getting involved or think is not part of reality?

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no one already. You ask if there is no YOU, would YOU be able to suffer. If there's no you then who would answer the question. If there is no you, who's the you you're asking if they'll be able to suffer. If is not a reality.

If suffering happens you are suffering, where is the difference saying that there is not you? Suffering is just like anything else, something that happens. The only problem with suffering is that YOU (and me) don't like

Edited July 8 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If suffering happens you are suffering, where is the difference saying that there is not you? Suffering is just like anything else, something that happens. The only problem with suffering is that YOU (and me) don't like

Yeah, I appear to suffer and seem to feel the pain. It's an illusion and it's not really happenening to me. That's all. Of no use to anyone and teaches no one. I still appear to feel the suffering, doesn't dispute what was said. 

[James123]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then getting involved or think is not part of reality?

If you want to suffer, yes.

4 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I cannot let it be; being is being itself.

You are it 

[Princess Arabia]

30 minutes ago, James123 said:

If you want to suffer, yes.

You are it 

Didn't you say, there's no you. Doesn't matter.

[James123]

29 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Didn't you say, there's no you. 

The Moment is us.

29 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Doesn't matter.

Definitely. 

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yeah, I appear to suffer and seem to feel the pain. It's an illusion and it's not really happenening to me. That's all. Of no use to anyone and teaches no one. I still appear to feel the suffering, doesn't dispute what was said. 

You exist , maybe you are not "you" according your concept of "you", but anyway an experience is happening , a movement, a relationship. You could call it you or not you, but it is, and It has an structure with a lot of nuances, preferences, perceptions, levels of awareness. That's what we call "you", then if suffering happens we could meet say that you are suffering 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

If you want to suffer, yes.

I prefer not, but as suffering is a possibility it's going to happen eventually 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I prefer not, but as suffering is a possibility it's going to happen eventually 

Nothing is under control, even if you think, try to control etc... 

Fuck it, just let go. 

[Breakingthewall]

37 minutes ago, James123 said:

Nothing is under control, even if you think, try to control etc... 

Fuck it, just let go. 

1 hour ago, James123 said:

 

Of course, it's impossible to control anything. Not even mathematically. The fact that reality is unlimited makes it neither deterministic even mathematically; it's impossible to predict. Not even a hypothetical god could calculate the trajectory of a bullet with complete accuracy, because the infinity of reality introduces infinite variables.

[theleelajoker]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Of course, it's impossible to control anything. Not even mathematically. The fact that reality is unlimited makes it neither deterministic even mathematically; it's impossible to predict. Not even a hypothetical god could calculate the trajectory of a bullet with complete accuracy, because the infinity of reality introduces infinite variables.

Love the last part. Infinite variables ❤️

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

You exist , maybe you are not "you" according your concept of "you", but anyway an experience is happening , a movement, a relationship. You could call it you or not you, but it is, and It has an structure with a lot of nuances, preferences, perceptions, levels of awareness. That's what we call "you", then if suffering happens we could meet say that you are suffering 

Yes, of course. Why talk about that on a forum.

I exist and I'm experiencing and things are moving, it is me, I am perceiving and having perceptions and I'm at a certain level of awareness. That's what I call me and suffering happens so therefore I suffer. 

Who talks about this in a normal chit chat forum. Who goes to a bus stop and strike up a conversation like that. The person would think you're a weirdo. Read back the second paragraph, which is pretty much identical to what you were saying, as if you're talking to someone known or not. Who says that. You. You said that as if you're trying to convince yourself of it. Such normalcy in those words but the felt need to say that is where lies the unrealness in it.

Edited July 8 by Princess Arabia

[theleelajoker]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Who talks about this in a normal chit chat forum. Who goes to a bus stop and strike up a conversation like that. The person would think you're a weirdo. 

You would be surprised. Did you not realize yet, that "the environment" adapts to what you do and say? 

Go and prove me wrong