What is meaning?

[zurew]

43 minutes ago, zurew said:

Some people are okay with that kind of life, others arent - and im not sure whether everyone can be okay with it or not (again going back to my issue with the changing of preferences and intuitions)

For example could that Zen monk find being a rapist or a serial killer just as meaningful as being a monk or a teacher?

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, zurew said:

For example could that Zen monk find being a rapist or a serial killer just as meaningful as being a monk or a teacher?

People who use violence to empower themselves do so out of a place of lack, a need to complete themselves, anger over past trauma and humiliation, and a reaffirmation of narcissistic structures. Supposedly, a truly Zen monk would have left these energetic structures behind.

[zurew]

50 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

People who use violence to empower themselves do so out of a place of lack, a need to complete themselves, anger over past trauma and humiliation, and a reaffirmation of narcissistic structures. Supposedly, a truly Zen monk would have left these energetic structures behind.

The point isnt that he would necessarily choose those extreme and violent things, the point is to challenge the idea that it would be just as meaningful/meaningless to him.

If the idea is that one can have complete power over what meaning one attaches to things, then it shouldnt be an issue to be a rapist or a serial killer  ,because you can choose how things strikes you and or you can have a mindstate completely detached from what you do and what happens to you.

So if you have two people: one is enlightened and in presence mode and the other isn't enlightened and both are forced to rape people every day and to eat shit every day - there is a high chance that one would be miserable and highly suicidal, but what about the monk? Could the monk maintain a blank mindstate and would the monk (since he is completely present) find the whole thing just as blank and devoid of meaning as if he would solve world hunger?

Or would the monk have the ability to find solving world hunger to be horrible and atrocious and being a rapist to be highly meaningful and positive?

 

 

And im not talking about a situation where your mind completely detaches from the situation as a defense mechanism so that you don't need to live through the horrible things that you go through or you don't need to remember the horrible things you did  - im talking about being completely present and living through all moments.

Edited 4 hours ago by zurew

[Breakingthewall]

@zurew well said , this demonstrates the obviousness that while from an unlimited perspective everything is the same, from the perspective of form everything has an infinite meaning, everything starts a chain of infinite cause and effect relationships, then the monk would perceive that each breath, each energetic vibration that produces a thought reverberates in eternity, and from the relational node that he is, only openness, synchrony and fluidity would arise, since that would be its nature, it's structure.

Violence is a kind or relational energy that happens in reality, but you could say that it's low vibration. The monk would operate from higher vibration and the result would be armony. It's not that he choose armony, it's that his structure is that and what emanates from that equalized structure is harmony. It's not "better", it's equalized, another level of existence

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall