What is meaning?

[Guest Nilsi]

On 29.6.2025 at 8:57 PM, Carl-Richard said:

I'm lost in the sauce. What's the argument and how does it negate that certain structures have a certain naturalness to them? Does an amoeba have to discipline itself to chase a bacterium?

The argument is that there is no “amoeba chasing a bacterium” prior to a particular scientific discourse that, a priori, commits itself to the discovery - or should we say the production - of certain truths.

There is no amoeba in your meditation practice. There is no nirvana in a microscope. There is only the libidinal band, a Möbius strip of flows where the subject unfurls its theatre of mastery - weaving diagrams and luminous fictions onto the same continuous surface of desire.

Edited July 2 by Nilsi

[UnbornTao]

Let's keep looking into this, as threatening as it might be to our sense of meaning.

Edited July 5 by UnbornTao

[Jordan]

Meaning is just something your mind assigns objects in your model of reality. It relates to how the object effects your survival. What else do you want to know about meaning?

[Reciprocality]

If structure are variables repeatedly arising together in the same contexts, for the same identifiable reasons and intents, then Id say structure is meaning.

Thus expectation is meaning, prediction is meaning, when data comes together in the right way it means something.

What is not meaningful is forgotten, no, what is not meaningful is indistinct, undeveloped and imperceivable.

Can we identify something which stood unshaken amidst all structures, without which all structures would be like decomposing decay?

[Inliytened1]

On 6/28/2025 at 11:56 AM, PurpleTree said:

Meaning what is it?

Do you know Viktor Frankl Men’s search for meaning?

This is PurpleTree’s search out of meaning. Meaning is exhausting. I used to think everything has meaning. It was silly. 

Haha.  Meaning is like what we are.  Dust in the wind.   The funny thing about meaning is we as egos like to put meaning on all the wrong things.   And yet those things matter..so much to us...if we found a higher meaning i think it would be much more fulfilling. But the Truth of the matter is that meaning is no different than morality from an Absolute perspective.   It is a man made construct.   But yet since reality is an Infinite Mind it can't just be all random.  There is a method to the madness.  And there is Absolute Meaning.  Which is to say -for starters- try and be more selfless.  If you try to be less selfish in your life you will indeed align more closely with God and Truth.  Maybe Leo will post a video on Absolute Meaning.  Might go good with Goodness.

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Meaning arises from relationship: cause and effect, synchronicity, or contrast between opposites. Any meaning is built on multiple layers of relationships. Ultimately, all relationships share the same root: they emerge from the structure of distinction, whether through sequence (cause and effect), non-linear resonance (synchronicity), or polarity (contrast).

Look at anything. Perceive its meaning. Break it down into its components , the most obvious, then the parts within the parts. Fragment each part conceptually. You'll find that the structure remains relational, infinitely deep, with layers of interaction, contrast, and implication between forms. The deeper you go, the more you encounter dimensions of relational patterns, contrasts given meaning by their relative movement and interdependence ,ad infinitum.

Edited July 5 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

38 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Meaning arises from relationship: cause and effect, synchronicity, or contrast between opposites.

Leave the forum now and don't ever come back.  You place meaning here.  Drop it now. Let's see how it easy that is for you to do.  It's just a relationship.  With what? You and the internet?  Some of the meanings we place and where we place them run deep in the subconscious mind.

 

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Leave the forum now and don't ever come back.  You place meaning here.  Drop it now. Let's see how it easy that is for you to do.  It's just a relationship.  With what? You and the internet?  Some of the meanings we place and where we place them run deep in the subconscious mind.

 

Who said that meaning in not real? I'm just said that it's built of relationship 

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why? Your feel any threat? Do you prefer the comfort of your dogma? I understand, it's normal, all the religious people of all times operate like you 

Let go of the meaning if it's just "relationships". What is the meaning of the forum to you?  Is it the relationship between you and the internet? Some of the meanings we place on things may run deep in the subconscious mind.  You put meaning here. May i ask why and what relationship it involves?

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Let go of the meaning if it's just "relationships"

Relationship means that if I jump for a bridge I will die, that doesn't means that I want to die

 

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

What is the meaning of the forum to you? 

Just a place for expression. I hope you don't feel offended. 

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

Just a place for expression. I hope you don't feel offended. 

My point was you are trying to make it binary.   It's not binary.  I was just using it as an example.  Don't worry - I love you brother I don't ever want to see you go.  However I do find that sometimes you leave things to ones and zero's a bit too much.   Most of the stuff here is very abstract 

 

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

My point was you aee trying to make it binary.   It's not binary.  I was just using it as an example.  Don't worry - I love you brother I don't ever want to see you go.  However I do find that sometimes you leave things to ones and zeroes a bit too much.   

From a relative perspective (that's the perspective where we are operating) reality is built by relationships. You could say the the material is always the same, but this doesn't avoid the fact of the relationship.  

If you want to move beyond meaning to access an unlimited perspective uncontaminated by limits, then you must understand how meaning operates. All spirituality is created by people who have accessed an unlimited perspective without fully understanding limitation, natural mystics. Therefore, their formulation is never clean; it's intuitive but full of errors that close. We must formulate a perfect spirituality, clean, transparent, and flawless.

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

love you brother I don't ever want to see you go.

Id say that you have a foundation of nobility that can make openness possible if you stop clinging to ideas that close things off. But to do so, you must first understand how they close things off, intuiting that there's something there that's clouding complete transparency.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

From a relative perspective (that's the perspective where we are operating) reality is built by relationships. You could say the the material is always the same, but this doesn't avoid the fact of the relationship.  

If you want to move beyond meaning to access an unlimited perspective uncontaminated by limits, then you must understand how meaning operates. All spirituality is created by people who have accessed an unlimited perspective without fully understanding limitation, natural mystics. Therefore, their formulation is never clean; it's intuitive but full of errors that close. We must formulate a perfect spirituality, clean, transparent, and flawless.

Id say that you have a foundation of nobility that can make openness possible if you stop clinging to ideas that close things off. But to do so, you must first understand how they close things off, intuiting that there's something there that's clouding complete transparency.

It's built via distinctions.  This chair and me.  The room and "me". Air.  "Me".  If I collapsed all of that there would be Absolute Truth.  But I'm not going to collapse the difference between the couch and me right now so that I can have this existence I'm attached to.  Reality is made up of differences.   This doesn't have anything to do with meaning.  Meaning is something we choose to place on something.  We place value on something for some reason.  And that reason may be abstract.  We cannot openly put our finger on why in all cases.  Why does someone fall in love with one person and not another, for example? What is the difference between the two individuals? 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But I'm not going to collapse the difference between the couch and me right now so that I can have this existence I'm attached to. 

27 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Without distinction there is not existence. Existence is made from relationship, you can't collapse then, you can see through them as they are transparent, then you see what reality is made of

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why does someone fall in love with one person and not another, for example? What is the difference between the two individuals? 

Because a biological structure made up of billions of relationships plus the conditioning of a lifetime, made up of billions of relationship, which makes a deep connection possible with a certain person with a certain structure made of billions of relationships

Edited July 5 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Without distinction there is not existence. Existence is made from relationship, you can't collapse then, you can see through them as they are transparent, then you see what reality is made of

Because a biological structure made up of billions of relationships plus the conditioning of a lifetime, made up of billions of relationship, which makes a deep connection possible with a certain person with a certain structure.

Science can't explain everything.  Nor can logic.  Take care not to strip reality of its mystery.  That's part of the magic of reality. 

Edited July 5 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Science can't explain everything.  Nor can logic.  Take care not to strip reality of its mystery.  That's part of the magic of reality. 

What I do is understanding the structures to make them transparent, then let the totality opens. It works. 

You can't explain the totality, you can be open to it. Then you can explain what closes. 

[Inliytened1]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I do is understanding the structures to make them transparent, then let the totality opens. It works. 

You can't explain the totality, you can be open to it. Then you can explain what closes. 

Too binary again.  Leave the whole thing open. 

[UnbornTao]

[theleelajoker]

12 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Love this 😂😂😂

[theleelajoker]

On 5.7.2025 at 4:34 PM, Inliytened1 said:

Science can't explain everything.  Nor can logic.  Take care not to strip reality of its mystery.  That's part of the magic of reality. 

In support of your statement:

http://www.cosmicegg.org/intervista lilly1.pdf

Not saying everything he says is necessary true... but re descriptions and explanations of reality it seems to me he did invest a fair amount of time and energy to look for answers...only to realize it's best to stop looking.

Edited July 7 by theleelajoker