How to communicate with "others" when you see "Oneness"?

[theleelajoker]

In the last months, through meditation and psychedelics, my own idea of a "self" changed. I believe to see parts of me in others and synchronicities pile up. I can see how information travels beyond physical limitations and how other people entering my life reflect my inner world and personal experience to extreme levels, almost like looking into a mirror. Other people tell me things that are tailored to my specific situations. I could go on, but bottom line is: For me, there is a increasing feeling and perceiving of "oneness".

So, I find myself more and more in a state where I perceive communication on two levels:

1. I talk to the ego person in front of me, to the physical limitations of time and space 
2. I talk to ..well, I don't know what but something or someone beyond. And energy field that flows through everything and that is not limited by time and space 

It's kind of strange because it's almost like I can feel whenever I am listening or talking more to the first or the latter. For instance, I know a guy for years and then suddenly he surprises me with some stuff so deep that is so much beyond every expectation that I am literally shocked. Beyond the content, sometimes I also believe to perceive a change in the voice, the tone of the person talking to me. At times it feels like I am talking to my subconscious on a very deep level. 

Maybe I am projecting, OK   To find out if I am or how much - any opinions on that? Similar experiences?

Or even if you don't have similar experiences, how do you approach communication with others while at the same time you either experience or have experienced some kind of oneness in the past?

 

Edited Saturday at 12:37 AM by theleelajoker

[kavaris]

Identity

i was sorta thinkin of something partly related, which is bout the notion of "identity". Like for instance, in the idea of the center, or the one, or unity or whatever, you might say we strip ourselves down to the fact that theres no identity—even if to say that, "this identity i have is really a learned—reasoned-over-time amalgamation, as opposed to a true identity that i conceive of...", thats also a form of seeing-it all-as a shared identity—which is the same idea. And so, this notion if identity is a hard one, to try and answer on the spot. Example: politically, if you are in the middle you might be on the independent side. Easy. Done. Hands washed of it. But if someone says, "whats your identity", or "do you have an identity", see now thats a hard one, especially in todays day and age where identities are every-which-way outside of the box, just runnin' rampant. So, who knows. Do you have an identity? And, if so, what is your identity—and then to follow that up, how would you describe your identity, and what it means to you, specifically for you?... Perhaps a better question is, does having an identity even matter—the minute you are born and existing, surely thats a form of identity that matters, or is that just a fossil-form of identification, and your true identity doesnt happen til later on???...

[theleelajoker]

Thank for your reply. I think I get what you're pointing at. Someone recently replied to me "I don't want to talk about the past so much because it just strengthens this character idea that I have of me". I think what he meant is the same you describe as identity. 

Do you actually ask these questions when engaging other people? Or is it sth you are only thinking about?

[kavaris]

@theleelajokerOh i say all types of crazy shit to ppl, i dont have time to be on the fence about anything. Yeah, i will ask things like this... because to me, ill have thoughts that feel they arent"a fully baked thought", yet, wherein ill wait for awhile until ive ruminated over it some more—and then, depending on how crazy it is, or how interesting/thought provoking it is to me, is a sign of whether, or not im going to be interested enough to send it to ppl (or write it down). Actualized is where i mostly send things that are sortve in an awkward state of not yet being fully cooked yet-yet still having something to it—that is a bit too.. err... i wanna say the word im thinking of is reasonable... like alot of unreasonable and unforgiving craziness is sent by me, every which way to friends and non-friends, like a submachine gun spraying bullets everywhere.

[kavaris]

@theleelajokerits also sortve a good thing to just say what you feel, when you feel it like we were—cause if you wait to long to ruminate on somethin,and try to really analyze it, you end up sortve, spoiling the spontenaity factor or whatever, like the thing that gets ppl talking, which is more of like, the subtle areas that havent been worked out yet. like theres a level somewhere between "too well thought out" and "not yet though about at all" where ppl want to give their input inside of, and if it exceeds either of those lines, it can lead to just, ppl not *getting it, so to speak, if that makes sense

Edited Saturday at 01:39 AM by kavaris

[Inliytened1]

You become lucid and everything merges together as one.  Right now you're actually creating a duality between real and imaginary.

Edited Saturday at 02:53 AM by Inliytened1

[theleelajoker]

@kavaris yes I do that also more often just expressing instead of thinking about it. Like this thread haha

@Inliytened1 everything merging together, yes I can feel that. What duality you mean? Why real and imaginary? Can you elaborate pls?

Helpful would be more information on how you handle concrete situations. Did change how you communicate before and after realizing that everything is merged together?

 

[Inliytened1]

51 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

@kavaris yes I do that also more often just expressing instead of thinking about it. Like this thread haha

@Inliytened1 everything merging together, yes I can feel that. What duality you mean? Why real and imaginary? Can you elaborate pls?

 

What is other? Its everyone other than the self right? Meaning you.   If everything is One than that would mean that other is illusory.  How else could other be illusory other than if reality was a mental construct?  Once you know it's a mental construct you can embrace it.  Once you embrace it there is no difference between whether reality is One of that there is actual separation.  It's treated by you the same at that point.  Because it doesn't make a difference in terms of living your life.  It only comes into play when you think about the Absolute.   But we don't spend our day to day living in the Absolute. 

Edited Saturday at 08:32 AM by Inliytened1

[theleelajoker]

@Inliytened1

Ok I can follow more or less but it's really abstract. 

I experienced that repeatedly, why does it seem so hard for people to reply less meta and more concrete even if asked directly?🤷

Doesn't matter if it's illusory because it feels real. And what means embracing it?

So if your GF breaks up with you, do you say "thank you" no matter what because you say it's all one and the one always makes the right choices? If you feel it's the wrong choice do you try to convince her to stay together? Do you then say "my feeling that's she's wrong is right because I am the one, too"?

When someone tells you in a forum that you're too meta and avoid concrete situations, do you think "wtf does he know?" or do you take that seriously because it's the one talking and you're direction in life is to embrace everything?

When you see war, famine, depression etc do you say "that's how the one wants it to be" or do you actively try to change it?

 

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

@Inliytened1

Ok I can follow more or less but it's really abstract. 

I experienced that repeatedly, why does it seem so hard for people to reply less meta and more concrete even if asked directly?🤷

Doesn't matter if it's illusory because it feels real. And what means embracing it?

So if your GF breaks up with you, do you say "thank you" no matter what because you say it's all one and the one always makes the right choices? If you feel it's the wrong choice do you try to convince her to stay together? Do you then say "my feeling that's she's wrong is right because I am the one, too"?

When someone tells you in a forum that you're too meta and avoid concrete situations, do you think "wtf does he know?" or do you take that seriously because it's the one talking and you're direction in life is to embrace everything?

When you see war, famine, depression etc do you say "that's how the one wants it to be" or do you actively try to change it?

 

Your are conflating the Absolute with the relative.  The relative is the dream.   The Absolute is that you are God dreaming it.  Let me make it easy for you. When you're in a dream fighting with your girlfriend does it ocurr to you that everything is One so who cares? I could kill her in the dream and it wouldn't matter.  No. You take it seriously as if it were..reality.  now back to what I said about being lucid.  Let's say you woke up from this dream and realized it was all really just a dream or made of nothing.   You would be stunned for a while.  But then it might ocurr to you that this changes nothing.  You can still go back to sleep and when you're dreaming again it will all be very real.  And even if you realize while inside the dream that it isn't, you can embrace it and treat it as it's real.  When you do that you allow yourself to forget it was a dream to begin with and you fall back to sleep... Until you wake up again. That's enlightenment in a nutshell.

Edited Saturday at 09:14 AM by Inliytened1

[JoshB]

9 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You become lucid and everything merges together as one.  Right now you're actually creating a duality between real and imaginary.

When the distinction between 

Real / Imaginary 

Self / Other 

Collapses, that is where awakening truly begins. 

[JoshB]

Your mind really becomes bricked like an xbox 360 with the red ring of death when you throw death in the mix. 

[JoshB]

12 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

In the last months, through meditation and psychedelics, my own idea of a "self" changed. I believe to see parts of me in others and synchronicities pile up. I can see how information travels beyond physical limitations and how other people entering my life reflect my inner world and personal experience to extreme levels, almost like looking into a mirror. Other people tell me things that are tailored to my specific situations. I could go on, but bottom line is: For me, there is a increasing feeling and perceiving of "oneness".

So, I find myself more and more in a state where I perceive communication on two levels:

1. I talk to the ego person in front of me, to the physical limitations of time and space 
2. I talk to ..well, I don't know what but something or someone beyond. And energy field that flows through everything and that is not limited by time and space 

It's kind of strange because it's almost like I can feel whenever I am listening or talking more to the first or the latter. For instance, I know a guy for years and then suddenly he surprises me with some stuff so deep that is so much beyond every expectation that I am literally shocked. Beyond the content, sometimes I also believe to perceive a change in the voice, the tone of the person talking to me. At times it feels like I am talking to my subconscious on a very deep level. 

Maybe I am projecting, OK   To find out if I am or how much - any opinions on that? Similar experiences?

Or even if you don't have similar experiences, how do you approach communication with others while at the same time you either experience or have experienced some kind of oneness in the past?

 

It's so simple, you're just talking to yourself. You can only talk to yourself 

End of story

[Breakingthewall]

If you recognize your limitless nature and become one with it, you recognize that same nature in others. In some, it is more blocked by the structure of the form; in others, it is more transparent.

The nature of limitlessness is openness. Closure is circumstantial; it is a consequence of the reality of the form, which must fit within the framework of the reality of the form. When you perceive this, you judge people less as good or bad. Rather, you see that they are trapped in a process of expansion that may or may not occur. I suppose it does at some point, but in other lives, if that is the case.

Edited Saturday at 01:00 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Once you know it's a mental construct you can embrace it. 

If it's a mental construct, why you can't fly?

[theleelajoker]

Ok I want to clarify my OP:

Can you please give concrete examples from your own experience? No meta discussion, no concepts, don't explain the world to me.

I gave examples situations above, but you can choose any situation. Useful replies for me are posts along the lines of:

I experienced this situation, in this situation it felt like this and that, there were thoughts that came up, I took action in this and this way, the conclusions I drew from that for me personally is this and this...

Thanks.

Edited yesterday at 08:09 AM by theleelajoker

[Inliytened1]

On 6/28/2025 at 8:01 AM, Breakingthewall said:

If it's a mental construct, why you can't fly?

Can God create a rock he can't lift? Turns out he can.

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Can God create a rock he can't lift? Turns out he can.

Then god is an entity who does things according a plan for some reasons and it's doing it now and forgetting it at real time? How did you arrive to that conclusion?

Edited 21 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[theleelajoker]

7 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

Ok I want to clarify my OP:

Can you please give concrete examples from your own experience? No meta discussion, no concepts, don't explain the world to me.

I gave examples situations above, but you can choose any situation. Useful replies for me are posts along the lines of:

I experienced this situation, in this situation it felt like this and that, there were thoughts that came up, I took action in this and this way, the conclusions I drew from that for me personally is this and this...

Thanks.

First time I am quoting myself.

Brothers and sisters, please stop this meta only stuff at least for this thread ok? Free yourself.

Or in other worlds: get the fuck out of your head. Posts related to direct experience only. Pragmatics stuff. Real life application tied to the physical experience we have here, no speculation. 

Thaaaaaank you 😘

 

Edited 20 hours ago by theleelajoker