Review Ending unnecessary Suffering by Peter Ralston

[Mellowmarsh]

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

Of course, but till death, it teaches you how to die/ surrender or it gives you no choice but surrender 😂 💋 

This makes perfect sense.

It teaches you how to die, gracefully, without resistance. All the non-human, non-speaking living creatures on earth are having to cope with a process of living and dying every minute of their lives,  without complaining, without the need for enlightenment or the need to factor in a God who is responsible and involved. 
 

Remove all the words humans ever invented from life, then just observe the pure silence of what’s happening. That’s the only real truth of what’s happening. If suffering has ever become a problem to avoid then that’s because it’s a human invention only. No humans, no problem, that’s how I see it, and so clearly now.

Human brain has somehow built an artificial representational model of reality, and a model of reality is not the true reality.

The true reality doesn’t give any attention to modelled realities because it doesn’t recognise or is aware of them.

Everything humans have ever done has involved stripping away at nature, which will ultimately in time take back, because natural always wins. 

So yes, the greatest gift of being a human self-aware conceptual creature is knowing that all sensation ends at death and that there’s no living creature alive that has any control over the natural process that is birth and death. This process is one unitary circular movement. The circle of life is completely indifferent to the artificial sense of self that believes that sense of self is real. Because all conceptual ideas about life are human mental constructs that do not exist outside of this language. To become identified with an artificial construct is to become a slave bound and trapped by it. That’s a painful suffering in and of itself, believing that suffering is happening to an illusory constructed personal identity called “ me “
 

Part of the gift of living is the dying, and every biological body automatically knows exactly how to die equally as it knows how to be born. Life knows how to be without knowing. That’s the magic. 
 

[James123]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I don't know how you make sense honestly, and I want to say this as respectfully as I can.

Of course, you can't make sense. The one who is trying to understand what prison is, prison itself. 

Mind can't be aware of the mind.

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

This makes perfect sense.

It teaches you how to die, gracefully, without resistance. All the non-human, non-speaking living creatures on earth are having to cope with a process of living and dying every minute of their lives,  without complaining, without the need for enlightenment or the need to factor in a God who is responsible and involved. 
 

Remove all the words humans ever invented from life, then just observe the pure silence of what’s happening. That’s the only real truth of what’s happening. If suffering has ever become a problem to avoid then that’s because it’s a human invention only. No humans, no problem, that’s how I see it, and so clearly now.

Human brain has somehow built an artificial representational model of reality, and a model of reality is not the true reality.

The true reality doesn’t give any attention to modelled realities because it doesn’t recognise or is aware of them.

Everything humans have ever done has involved stripping away at nature, which will ultimately in time take back, because natural always wins. 

So yes, the greatest gift of being a human self-aware conceptual creature is knowing that all sensation ends at death and that there’s no living creature alive that has any control over the natural process that is birth and death. This process is one unitary circular movement. The circle of life is completely indifferent to the artificial sense of self that believes that sense of self is real. Because all conceptual ideas about life are human mental constructs that do not exist outside of this language. To become identified with an artificial construct is to become a slave bound and trapped by it. That’s a painful suffering in and of itself, believing that suffering is happening to an illusory constructed personal identity called “ me “
 

Part of the gift of living is the dying, and every biological body automatically knows exactly how to die equally as it knows how to be born. Life knows how to be without knowing. That’s the magic. 
 

Yes, exactly. At the top of it, when all of it thoughts, enlightenment is never there too, because for who? Body, mind, trees,. air, universe is perfectly functioning with itself. 

Entire enlightenment or god bullshit is so called seen or attaching to thoughts or experiences, meanwhile when deeply looked (not even looked, I don't know how to put in the words), neither thoughts are there or experiences for you. Thoughts and experiences are only for body to stay alive, not to realize something.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Of course, you can't make sense. The one who is trying to understand what prison is, prison itself. 

Mind can't be aware of the mind.

Yes.  You wouldn't be free otherwise.  I see you are integrating more freedom.  But you are doing it in a backhanded way still IMO.

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Yes.  You wouldn't be free otherwise.  I see you are integrating more freedom.  But you are doing it in a backhanded way still IMO.

I don't involve what body says. So who gives a fuck. You can't be free, You can only Be, what You are.

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, James123 said:

I don't involve what body says. So who gives a fuck. You can't be free, You can only Be, what You are.

I want to be careful with how I inquire with you.  I want to be diplomatic.  One thing I find odd is your obsession with body.  That is unusual to me, so can you help me understand this concern?

[Leo Gura]

51 minutes ago, James123 said:

İt has nothing to do with genetics,

Of course it does.

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is this am olympic competition?

Consciousness is more serious than any Olympic competition.

Genetics are more important in spirituality than in elite sports.

The genetic difference between you and Shaquille O'Neil is way smaller than the difference between you and Ralston.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Mellowmarsh]

46 minutes ago, James123 said:

Of course, you can't make sense. The one who is trying to understand what prison is, prison itself. 

Mind can't be aware of the mind.

Yes, exactly. At the top of it, when all of it thoughts, enlightenment is never there too, because for who? Body, mind, trees,. air, universe is perfectly functioning with itself. 

Entire enlightenment or god bullshit is so called seen or attaching to thoughts or experiences, meanwhile when deeply looked (not even looked, I don't know how to put in the words), neither thoughts are there or experiences for you. Thoughts and experiences are only for body to stay alive, not to realize something.

Pure clarity. 💯🫶

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura Whats going on with Ralston really? You met him personally.

I watch his youtube videos and he says you need to be conscious of how you do the suffering. And then just stop doing it.

When I wake up in the morning, I get flooted with my current situation. Immediately my body produces stress, almost sometimes like a panic attack. How can I stop that by just being conscious of how I do the suffering. I have the feeling I cannot control anything. Its a fucked up feeling like I killed someone.

[Mellowmarsh]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course it does.

Consciousness is more serious than any Olympic competition.

Genetics are more important in spirituality than in elite sports.

The genetic difference between you and Shaquille O'Neil is way smaller than the difference between you and Ralston.

This is nothing but a dream of difference where there is none.

[ZeroZeroes]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

I suffer since 7 month. I learned my lesson, so now how can I stop that. Has Peter Ralston addressed that suffering in the Morning when cortisol is so high it wakes you up? I sleep less than 5 hours every day because of this stress. The first 3 hours in the morning after waking up are brutal. 

During the day I feel just a subtle suffering in the background. I can live with that. 

Low dose acetaminophen could help. You're likely holding the context of the relationship throughout your sleep and are under tension throughout the night. Try to eliminate the context of relationships all together, or at least shift the memories in that domain to be only positives for a while. Otherwise try to seriously immerse yourself into something mundane before-during sleep like a cartoon and have it encapsulate your whole awareness. That could shift your state enough to relax through sleep.

[OBEler]

@ZeroZeroes Thanks for help, but I fall asleep easy after 5 minutes and I sleep deep. however I always wake up after 5 hours or less due to realization in what a horrifying situation I am. So the waking up is the problem.

I suffer from sleep deprivation because of that.

Edited 1 hour ago by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura Whats going on with Ralston really? You met him personally.

I watch his youtube videos and he says you need to be conscious of how you do the suffering. And then just stop doing it.

Ralston is a unique and very rare human being. In a class of his own. Because he has a genetically different mind/consciousness.

Most people simply cannot do what Ralston can do.

I'm not saying you shouldn't try his ways. But if you keep trying his ways and you're perplexed why they ain't working for you, now you know why.

15 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

This is nothing but a dream of difference where there is none.

Tell that to a lion when you're wrestling with him.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[James123]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course it does.

Consciousness is more serious than any Olympic competition.

Genetics are more important in spirituality than in elite sports.

The genetic difference between you and Shaquille O'Neil is way smaller than the difference between you and Ralston.

So if consciousness is so serious, surrender the knowledge of consciousness.

There is no person in the body, how the fuck genetics are important? 😂 

Ralston is a thought, if there is an attachment to thought, there is a Ralston otherwise just a passing clouds. 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

how the fuck genetics are important?

They are so important that if you were born a kangaroo, you'd have no idea enlightenment exists.

Just imagine Ralston lecturing a kangaroo about enlightenment.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[James123]

57 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I want to be careful with how I inquire with you.  I want to be diplomatic.  One thing I find odd is your obsession with body.  That is unusual to me, so can you help me understand this concern?

You are the one who is obsessed with the body and mind, otherwise, the thoughts wouldn't create your so called reality. Thoughts will be thoughts, you will be you

[James123]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

They are so important that if you were born a kangaroo, you'd have no idea enlightenment exists.

Enlightenment is same shit, with not knowing what enlightenment is, 😂 

or realizing that enlightenment is a thought within the body and mind, had nothing to do with You. 

Whatever You do or say or experience or belief, You are always what You are.

[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

Enlightenment is same shit, with not knowing what enlightenment is, 😂 

Yes, and the WORD ( enlightenment ) does not know it’s just a word. Words do not know they are words.

Words are unwritten read by one observer… points to the illusion of labels and the pure, unconditioned reality of existence before the mind categorises it.

The Illusion of Labels

Empty forms: Words are just sounds or shapes on a screen. They have no real power or meaning of their own until we give it to them.

The map is not the territory: Language splits the oneness of the universe into separate pieces, making us forget that everything is connected.

Pure awareness: Before a thought names a tree, a feeling, or a moment as "good" or "bad," the thing itself just exists in pure silence. 
 

Ps. No one thinks for themself because there isn’t a self that thinks. That’s a known magic that can never be known, because that which is known, knows nothing.

 

Returning to Silence

Beyond the mind: True spiritual awakening means stepping behind the noise of thoughts and words to rest in direct experience.

The unnamable truth: Mystics across traditions note that the deepest divine truths cannot be spoken or captured by human language. 

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, James123 said:

Enlightenment is same shit, with not knowing what enlightenment is,

Tell that to a kangaroo.

[Mellowmarsh]

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They are so important that if you were born a kangaroo, you'd have no idea enlightenment exists.

Just imagine Ralston lecturing a kangaroo about enlightenment.

Kangaroos do not know they are kangaroos. A human does not know it is a human, the label is known, and the known know nothing.

 

Where’s the knower? Yes, that’s the one question to all our conceptual answers, that know nothing. And who would ever believe that story, that’s just another story trying to cross the horizon.

[Joseph Maynor]

44 minutes ago, James123 said:

You are the one who is obsessed with the body and mind, otherwise, the thoughts wouldn't create your so called reality. Thoughts will be thoughts, you will be you

I'm not sure bro.